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[FredS]

+JMJ+

yer looking for creative ways to fulfill — rather than shirk — our Duties.

I wish you'd stop using that word.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

yer looking for creative ways to fulfill — rather than shirk — our Duties.

I wish you'd stop using that word.

Unless it's "yer" ("yer" being a signature Wosism), I can only assume it's "Duties".

Why is that?

Rights always go with concomitant Duties (or Responsibilities).

The privilege of Nationhood, which bestows the Rights of Nations (such as the Right to Control Borders), always goes with Duties of Nations (such as the Duty to respect the Rights of the Other).

There's no more transparent and normative way to fulfill the Duty to respect the Right to Migrate than to afford Due Process to the Illegal.

[FredS]

+JMJ+

yer looking for creative ways to fulfill — rather than shirk — our Duties.

I wish you'd stop using that word.

Unless it's "yer" ("yer" being a signature Wosism), I can only assume it's "Duties".

I don't mind doodies. It's 'shirk'. The 'S' in FredS. For real.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

I don't mind doodies. It's 'shirk'. The 'S' in FredS. For real.

Gotcha. I think. (So cornfused.)

[Jocose]

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1708127860740002116?s=20

An evangelical Christian family from Germany that has lived in Tennessee for 15 years, which sought asylum in the US to be able to homeschool their children, is being deported by the Biden administration. This is who they’ll send back.

[Jocose]

https://x.com/CatholicSat/status/170804 ... 75637?s=20

Despite protests from advocacy groups for victims of clerical sexual abuse, Papal protégée, ghostwriter and confidant, Tucho Fernández has been elevated to the Sacred College of Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

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An evangelical Christian family from Germany that has lived in Tennessee for 15 years, which sought asylum in the US to be able to homeschool their children, is being deported by the Biden administration. This is who they’ll send back.

Q: Is there a Universal Human Right to Homeschool?

A: No. School Rights are postpolitical (i.e. Civil) Rights — not prepolitical (i.e. Universal, Natural) Rights.

Context: Yes, there are prepolitical Familial Rights (perhaps ones even being circumstantially related to Education) which can, in principle, be violated by the State. But "I demand unilateral rights to Homeschool in the face of civil conventions" is not one of them. Schooling is a civil matter, the exact lineaments of which must be politically negotiated in good-faith dialogue with the wider community.

[Del]

+JMJ+

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An evangelical Christian family from Germany that has lived in Tennessee for 15 years, which sought asylum in the US to be able to homeschool their children, is being deported by the Biden administration. This is who they’ll send back.

Q: Is there a Universal Human Right to Homeschool?

A: No. School Rights are postpolitical (i.e. Civil) Rights — not prepolitical (i.e. Universal, Natural) Rights.

Context: Yes, there are prepolitical Familial Rights (perhaps ones even being circumstantially related to Education) which can, in principle, be violated by the State. But "I demand unilateral rights to Homeschool in the face of civil conventions" is not one of them. Schooling is a civil matter, the exact lineaments of which must be politically negotiated in good-faith dialogue with the wider community.

Wrong. Parents have the first right and responsibility to educate their children. This is a Universal Human Duty.

If parents in a region wish to use the political levers to provide education, they may do so. But government has never had anything resembling the first right to determine the education of children, or prevent the best efforts of parents to care for their children. Parents have a natural human right to pull their kids out of public schools if the schools aren't educating their children with the knowledge, skills, and values that parent know their kids need to thrive.

Germany has been especially oppressive in denying rights/duties to parents while failing to educate children.

Prophetically, G.K. Chesterton foretold the gross intrusion into family rights that the invention of "public education" would create. And our society has suffered tremendously by this government intrusion into our families.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

Q: Is there a Universal Human Right to Homeschool?

A: No. School Rights are postpolitical (i.e. Civil) Rights — not prepolitical (i.e. Universal, Natural) Rights.

Context: Yes, there are prepolitical Familial Rights (perhaps ones even being circumstantially related to Education) which can, in principle, be violated by the State. But "I demand unilateral rights to Homeschool in the face of civil conventions" is not one of them. Schooling is a civil matter, the exact lineaments of which must be politically negotiated in good-faith dialogue with the wider community.

Wrong. …

… But government has never had anything resembling the first right to determine the education of children, or prevent the best efforts of parents to care for their children. …

[…]

Not wrong. Or should I say, only "wrong" if one (whether through deliberation or though simply inattention) makes me say things I never said.

I never said anything about "government" having "the first right [!]" over the children. Children do not belong to the State, and I can't see anything in my post which could suggest — even to the most suggestible — that I maintain otherwise.

Further, I've already expressly accounted for "prepolitical Familial Rights" which can principally "be violated by the State".

However, none of this entails there being some "unilateral right to Homeschool in the face of civil conventions" — does not mean that there is some sacrosanct core of Nuclear Parenthood impermeable to wider societal (familial) oversight. (If you're not disagreeing with this — and I can only assume that you are not — then perhaps broadbrushing "Wrong" is the overhasty response best avoided.)

[Del]

+JMJ+

Q: Is there a Universal Human Right to Homeschool?

A: No. School Rights are postpolitical (i.e. Civil) Rights — not prepolitical (i.e. Universal, Natural) Rights.

Context: Yes, there are prepolitical Familial Rights (perhaps ones even being circumstantially related to Education) which can, in principle, be violated by the State. But "I demand unilateral rights to Homeschool in the face of civil conventions" is not one of them. Schooling is a civil matter, the exact lineaments of which must be politically negotiated in good-faith dialogue with the wider community.

Wrong. …

… But government has never had anything resembling the first right to determine the education of children, or prevent the best efforts of parents to care for their children. …

[…]

Not wrong. Or should I say, only "wrong" if one (whether through deliberation or though simply inattention) makes me say things I never said.

I never said anything about "government" having "the first right [!]" over the children. Children do not belong to the State, and I can't see anything in my post which could suggest — even to the most suggestible — that I maintain otherwise.

Further, I've already expressly accounted for "prepolitical Familial Rights" which can principally "be violated by the State".

However, none of this entails there being some "unilateral right to Homeschool in the face of civil conventions" — does not mean that there is some sacrosanct core of Nuclear Parenthood impermeable to wider societal (familial) oversight. (If you're not disagreeing with this — and I can only assume that you are not — then perhaps broadbrushing "Wrong" is the overhasty response best avoided.)

I am grateful when you post your own thoughts, and those of some political hack sophists.

You made an assertion, and I have congenially disputed that assertion.

I never claimed that you said, "government has a first right over the children." But Germany says that. Communist governments say that. Homeschool opponents say that. Transgender activists say that.

As Catholics, we admit that neighborhoods can band together and use their government as a tool to provide public education. But we also believe that parents have a natural right to choose better alternatives for education their children, from whatever is available or what the parents can provide on their own.

I'm okay with the State giving a standardized test to homeschool kids, to make sure that kids are keeping up and parents are not shirking their duty.

But Germany has overstepped their natural moral authority in making criminals of parents who homeschool their own kids.

And Biden Admin have once again revealed their evil agenda, deporting this one family who really have a valid claim for religious persecution.