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Wosbald wrote: 13 Nov 2023, 09:53 +JMJ+

Source: Atlantic
Link: theatlantic DOT com/ideas/archive/2023/11/anti-semitism-anti-zionism-activists-hamas-apologists/675937/
When Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic [Analysis, Opinion]

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The most consequential form of anti-Zionism today is the one that deploys guns and rockets.
What's the point of this article?

Are they trying to justify their position on Jews and Israel -- which is identical to that of the terrorists and anti-Semitic mobs -- and yet somehow insist that their American Leftist values are not the same as David Duke and Hamas and the Ivy League mobs?

So then, Mr. Atlantic.... What's the difference?
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I know the answer. Usually wrapped in plenty of weasel language, but essentially it goes like this:
"Well, Mr. Del..... Those are bad people. So if they happen to overlap with our position, it must be for bad reasons.

However, we are very good people. So we know that our policy positions are righteous."
I think attitude was born, fully grown, from the head of Hillary Clinton when she declared that anyone who opposed the Left's policies must be some sort of multi-phobic bigot. "Deplorable."

It simply does not occur to these sophists that actual good people could have actual good reasons for opposing bloodthirsty terrorists, unlimited abortion, uncontrolled immigration, widespread homelessness, defunding law enforcement, CRT and LGBT groomers in our grade schools.

Their only thought is that MAGA voters must be bad people, because only bad people would disagree with folks as righteous as themselves.
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Source: Forbes
Link: forbes DOT com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/12/trump-compares-political-foes-to-vermin-on-veterans-day-echoing-nazi-propaganda/?sh=658a78757229
Trump Compares Political Foes To ‘Vermin’ On Veterans Day — Echoing Nazi Propaganda

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Former President Donald Trump pledged to eliminate political extremist groups that “lie, steal and cheat on elections,” calling them “vermin” during a speech Saturday and in a Truth Social post commemorating Veterans Day — echoing a term Nazis often used in antisemitic propaganda to dehumanize Jews, equating them to parasites who spread disease.

Key Facts
  • Trump made a “pledge” to “root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country” in a Truth Social post Saturday “in honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day.”
  • Trump accused the groups of doing “anything possible to destroy America, and the American Dream,” adding that “the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within.”
  • He repeated the phrasing at a rally in New Hampshire later Saturday, referring to “the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country” and declaring “the real threat is not from the radical right, the real threat is from the radical left.”
  • The former president’s incendiary rhetoric invokes a term frequently used by Nazis to dehumanize Jews, including a 1939 quote attributed to Hitler: “This vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies,” he told the Czech foreign minister, according to historical accounts.
Chief Critics
“Today, ‘in honor of our great Veterans,’ ex-President demands on social media to ‘root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our Country,’ presidential historian Michael Beschloss tweeted Saturday. “Please tell us if this reminds you of any earlier historical figure.” The use of “vermin,” according to Michael Tomasky, the editor of The New Republic, is “an unusual word choice….And it appears in history in chiefly in one context, and one context only,” calling it Trump’s usage “straight-up Nazi talk, in a way he’s never done quite before.”

Key Background
Trump’s populist appeal and incendiary rhetoric are often compared to Hilter’s cult of personality and authoritarian rule. Trump sparked widespread outrage last month when he accused undocumented immigrants of “poisoning the blood of our country” in an interview with the right-wing website, The National Pulse. “Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they’re terrorists,” Trump said, adding “It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.” Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt warned the statement “echoes nativist talking points and has the potential to cause real danger and violence,” he told multiple outlets, while the New York Times pointed out that several passages in Hilter’s Mein Kampf describe the “influx of foreign blood” as “poison.”

Surprising Fact
Trump has reportedly studied Hilter and expressed admiration toward the Nazi dictator to people close to him. “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things,” he allegedly told former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly in 2018, according to New York Times reporter Michael C. Bender’s 2021 book, Frankly, We Did Win This Election: The Inside Story of How Trump Lost. Trump has denied making the statement. His first wife, Ivana Trump, also told her lawyer that Trump kept a book of Hilter’s speeches by his bedside, according to a 1990 Vanity Fair piece published amid their split.

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Wosbald wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 09:57 +JMJ+

Source: Forbes
Link: forbes DOT com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/12/trump-compares-political-foes-to-vermin-on-veterans-day-echoing-nazi-propaganda/?sh=658a78757229
... somebody calling Trump a 'Nazi' again...
How deplorable!
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Del wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 11:45
Wosbald wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 09:57 +JMJ+

Source: Forbes
Link: forbes DOT com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/12/trump-compares-political-foes-to-vermin-on-veterans-day-echoing-nazi-propaganda/?sh=658a78757229
... somebody calling Trump a 'Nazi' again...
How deplorable!
They even managed to link Trump and Hitler in the same sentence, at least in Wos's copied text. I dislike Trump, but this type of trash article is just ridiculous.

I noted with a chuckle that this is in the Forbes Business section. Not editorial opinion, or even political reporting, but the Business section. The same rag has a recent history of promoting financial felons. Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX/bitcoin thief) and Elizabeth Holmes (straight up thief and con artist behind Theranos) come quickly to mind as Forbes vaunted young entrepreneurs. Forbes jumped the shark a while ago and people would be fools to look to them for wisdom or guidance, no matter the subject.
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FredS wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 11:56
Del wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 11:45
Wosbald wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 09:57 +JMJ+

Source: Forbes
Link: forbes DOT com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/12/trump-compares-political-foes-to-vermin-on-veterans-day-echoing-nazi-propaganda/?sh=658a78757229

How deplorable!
They even managed to link Trump and Hitler in the same sentence, at least in Wos's copied text. I dislike Trump, but this type of trash article is just ridiculous.

I noted with a chuckle that this is in the Forbes Business section. Not editorial opinion, or even political reporting, but the Business section. The same rag has a recent history of promoting financial felons. Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX/bitcoin thief) and Elizabeth Holmes (straight up thief and con artist behind Theranos) come quickly to mind as Forbes vaunted young entrepreneurs. Forbes jumped the shark a while ago and people would be fools to look to them for wisdom or guidance, no matter the subject.
I am not a fan of Trump's brand of name-calling.

But a quick glance of the headline was enough to know that this article never needed to be written, or published by Forbes, or posted here. Drooling drivel, such as spread by vermin.
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https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1724723 ... 74078?s=20

The situation in Lampedusa is out of control again. In the last few hours, 35 boats have arrived with 1300 illegal Muslim immigrants. This madness must be stopped!
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Bus drivers sick out. Maybe they need some chicken soup?
This is insane
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Jocose wrote: 15 Nov 2023, 06:29 https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1724723 ... 74078?s=20

The situation in Lampedusa is out of control again. In the last few hours, 35 boats have arrived with 1300 illegal Muslim immigrants. This madness must be stopped!
https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/172 ... 16020?s=20

Since this tweet 6 hours ago, another 10 boats have landed on the island of Lampedusa, Italy. The invasion of Italy continues.

Why isn't the Italian Navy sinking boats?

This is the closest island to Africa (Tunisia) that is part of the European Union, so it is the target to gain entry. And then they want to be transferred at EU expense to the European mainland.
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Jocose wrote: 15 Nov 2023, 08:57[…]

Since this tweet 6 hours ago, another 10 boats have landed on the island of Lampedusa, Italy. The invasion of Italy continues.

Why isn't the Italian Navy sinking boats?

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Cuz that would be a Crime-against-Humanity?

Just a thawt.

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Wosbald wrote: 15 Nov 2023, 09:25 +JMJ+
Jocose wrote: 15 Nov 2023, 08:57[…]

Since this tweet 6 hours ago, another 10 boats have landed on the island of Lampedusa, Italy. The invasion of Italy continues.

Why isn't the Italian Navy sinking boats?

[…]
Cuz that would be a Crime-against-Humanity?

Just a thawt.

:confusion-shrug:
Justice would be to arrest and prosecute the smugglers and confiscate the boats. Take the migrants into custody, screen for terrorists and international criminals, and deport the rest back to their home countries. For those with legitimate claims to asylum, deport them to safe nations adjacent to the unlivable areas, in accord with international law regarding asylum-seekers.
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