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US bishops’ agency ramps up aid to Gaza amid hopes for indefinite ceasefire

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NEW YORK — Following a temporary ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, the U.S. bishops’ international humanitarian aid agency is ramping up its humanitarian assistance to Gaza with the hope that the ceasefire agreement will last indefinitely.

Bill O’Keefe, Catholic Relief Services executive vice president for mission and mobilization, told Crux that the organization is assembling trucks of supplies in Egypt. Meanwhile, CRS staff in Gaza are preparing to receive the trucks and planning how to distribute those resources safely.

The news comes after Israel and Hamas agreed to a four-day ceasefire in the war in Gaza on Nov. 22. In the deal, 50 Israeli hostages captured by Hamas during its Oct. 7 terrorist attack will be released, including women and children, in exchange for what Hamas said would be about 150 Palestinian prisoners.

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O’Keefe applauded the deal, as CRS has long called for a cessation of violence.

“That level of activity is good news, and we are actively and urgently ramping up our humanitarian assistance to take advantage of this pause however long it lasts,” O’Keefe said. “I hope it will last indefinitely, but we are taking advantage of it to meet as many needs of vulnerable Palestinians as we possibly can.”

O’Keefe added that CRS continues to pray for the release of hostages, and for the safety of civilians in harm’s way.

Johnny Zokovitch, executive director of Pax Christi USA, a peace advocacy organization, similarly expressed hope that the deal is an opportunity for a permanent ceasefire.

“Pax Christi USA welcomes any cessation of hostilities and the return of hostages and political prisoners,” Zokovitch told Crux in a statement. “We pray that this is an opportunity for a permanent ceasefire.”

The deal comes at a time when, according to Palestinian health authorities, more than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed in the war, stemming from Hamas’ Oct. 7 terrorist attack on Israel where at least 1,200 people were killed, and another approximately 240 were abducted.

CRS has 52 staff members in Gaza, some of whom have lost family members in the war, according to O’Keefe.

The latest he has heard from the staff in Gaza is that the north of Gaza is “effectively destroyed,” with no water, food, fuel, or electricity available. In south Gaza, where people were encouraged to flee, bombing continued until the ceasefire, O’Keefe said.

O’Keefe also noted that many people who fled the north as well as some people in the south have sought refuge in schools, United Nations compounds, which are “unbelievably crowded.”

“There are hundreds of people for every toilet. There are people sleeping outside. There are people without mattresses and without safe shelter with nowhere to go right now,” O’Keefe explained. “A ceasefire will hopefully allow at least some of those people to find and be provided with a better temporary situation.”

In a Nov. 22 statement, President Joe Biden applauded the deal, adding that “we pray that this is an opportunity for a permanent ceasefire.” He also noted that Netanyahu has signaled a commitment to “supporting an extended pause to ensure this deal can be fully carried out and to ensure the provision of additional humanitarian assistance to alleviate the suffering of innocent Palestinian families in Gaza.”

O’Keefe said in the long term, CRS has long supported and continues to support a two-state solution. In the short and medium term, he said the hope is that negotiations will continue that will lead to a cessation of violence and the ability for Palestinians and Israelis to live together in peace.

“We’re not in these negotiations, but we do see the impact of war on innocent people and that’s why we’re calling for a cessation of violence,” O’Keefe said.


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Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/faith/2023/11/21/human-rights-israel-palestine-un-246545
The human rights of victims — in Israel and Palestine — must be protected [Analysis, Opinion]

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November 21, 2023 — In Fyodor Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov, Ivan questions his brother, Alyosha:
Imagine that you yourself are building the edifice of human destiny with the object of making people happy in the finale, of giving them peace and rest at last, but for that you must inevitably and unavoidably torture just one tiny creature, that same child who was beating her chest with her little fist, and raise your edifice on the foundation of her unrequited tears — would you agree to be the architect on such conditions? Tell me the truth.
Ivan’s question has long ceased to be the stuff of fiction. It is posed for us today by the architects of mass atrocity. And how shall we answer? Postmodernity has left us with a moral bricolage — fragments of traditional moral systems. We speak of victims’ rights in Israel and Gaza, but in the accents of strangers. Still, for many marching under the banner of rights, there are necessary victims, unrequited tears that must be shed. Morally bereft, we have, it seems, become the sum of our grievances, our politics, what Nietzsche called ressentiment — the self-vindicating exercise of rage or indignation.

And yet we must speak, must say “never again” again. For in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s words, “injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.” Pope Francis has argued in a similar vein, decrying war as “always a defeat” for humanity. Since the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church, like Dr. King, has drawn upon what the Universal Declaration of Human Rights calls our common “faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person.” It is here, in this common faith, that we might find our answer to Ivan’s question.

As the Universal Declaration reminds us, human rights are tokens of dignity. And dignity implies that we have absolute value. Dignity does not change, nor can it be weighed or measured like desires, interests or profits. It is permanent, inalienable and irreplaceable; no person ever ceases to matter. Dignity can never be lost or sacrificed, even where it is systemically denied by terror, racism, gender or ethnic bias. It follows, then, that every person is always equally worthy of respect, independent of what role a person plays or one’s social status, religion, gender, class, race, ethnicity or sexual orientation.

Whether justified in religious or secular terms, dignity is thus the basis of moral solidarity. Our freedom is “bonded” by the very value we place upon one another. In a sense, we may say that the human community is present in every person. As Pope Francis said in his Angelus message on Trinity Sunday in 2016, being created in the likeness of God “calls us to understand ourselves as beings-in-relationship and to live interpersonal relations in solidarity and mutual love.”

Such understanding grounds our rights and correlative duties. In respecting persons as agents and not merely means to another’s ends, we necessarily respect the conditions or capabilities of their exercising agency: security, basic liberties and basic welfare (adequate nutrition, health care, shelter and educational opportunities). Such rights, presumed for agency, are interdependent. Threatening any basic right imperils them all. And basic human rights, as claims and not merely privileges, entail correlative duties not only of forbearance but of provision and protection.

Dignity, solidarity, rights and duties: These form the grammar of our church’s efforts to do justice; and in a world riven by injustice, they require what liberation theology calls a “preferential option for the poor,” for those most vulnerable to unjust systems. The key question in public policy must then be: Whose equal dignity is unequally threatened, whose equal rights are unequally denied? Rights demand, in Albert Camus’s words, that we “take the victim’s side.” Conceived thus, rights do moral work for us. They play a threefold rhetorical role:
  • a critical role in recognizing the unjust suffering of victims
  • a constructive role in systemically redressing the causes of victimization
  • a reconstructive role in specific redress of victims
Critical Recognition

In modern, pluralist polities, the rhetoric of rights gives us a language to recognize what the Universal Declaration calls “barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of [hu]mankind.” Rights, according to the philosopher Henry Shue, are the “morality of the depths”; they let us name atrocity, let us recognize victims’ suffering. For the victims are legion, but each ineluctably unique. Rape, torture, mass atrocity, directly attacking civilians — such violations of human dignity are never permissible, nor can they be re-described as anything other than barbarous acts.

There can be no righteous terror, no necessary victims. And so, we answer Ivan’s question, but only to raise others. Surely, one may object, the perpetrators of apartheid, fascism and ethno-nationalism bear the greater guilt than those who suffer at their hands, and they must therefore be held accountable, for the victims are legion. For this reason, some objected to cadres of the African National Congress seeking amnesty in South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission, lest admitting atrocity imply a “moral equivalence” between the liberation struggle and the apartheid regime. Merely recognizing victims will not suffice. We must say more, and this brings us to the second use of rights.

Constructive Redemption

We must name victims, yes; but we must also look to the causes of victimization, to the Molochs that require victims. What are the complex, causal factors that lead to genocide, apartheid, mass atrocity? What keeps us from seeing what Emmanuel Levinas calls the “command of the face”: “Thou shalt not kill”? Two years of anguished testimony in South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission revealed not only victims, but also the systemic distortions and racial bias that effaced those victims. By the end of the hearings, it was abundantly clear that apartheid was not incidentally, but systemically distorted; rights violations were part of its raison d’être. There could be no melioration, no “good” apartheid.

Neither, for this very reason, could there be any “moral equivalence” between the apartheid regime and the African National Congress. Because we see the command of the face, we say “no” to Ivan’s question about “torturing just one tiny creature.” And it is just because we say “no” that we can constructively redress the causes of victimization. For we cannot invoke human rights in general — defending “my” group, “my” people — yet betray them in particular. Only by saying “no,” then, to Ivan’s question can we offer a comparative assessment of regimes or policies: To what extent have they redeemed or failed to redeem basic human rights and duties?

We cannot condemn victimization without taking the victim’s side; but neither can we take the victim’s side yet remain indifferent to victimization (rights violations). There is no contradiction, then, in condemning the atrocities committed by Hamas while holding Israeli security forces accountable to the jus in bello just war norms of discrimination and proportionality. Atrocity never justifies atrocity. Neither does the critical recognition of atrocity — that Hamas is responsible for atrocities — absolve the Israeli state from rights-based criticism with respect to settlement policies. Human rights must be preserved and protected, whether Israeli or Palestinian.

Reconstructive redress

Finally, we must take the victim’s side even as we redress the causes of victimization. The rhetoric of rights lets us name victims, perpetrators and the inhabitants of the gray zone whose silence or complicity under threat or torture left them morally compromised. And so it is that the denial of basic human rights generates other, ancillary rights of specific redress of victims — rights to reparation, restitution and more. So, too, specific redress imposes duties upon the perpetrator of reparation, restitution, punishment and more. We must name the victims and perpetrators, denying an ethos of impunity while being sure to avoid essentializing either. For we remain morally responsible; the uses of rights go together. Victims can become perpetrators, and perpetrators victims. As the novelist Graham Greene once observed, a writer writes about the victims and the victims change.

Victims and perpetrators are not born such. But neither are we absolved of history.

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Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/faith/2023/11/21/human-rights-israel-palestine-un-246545
The human rights of victims — in Israel and Palestine — must be protected [Analysis, Opinion]
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It is amusing that the jesuits at amerika feel entitled to opine about any of this.

The victims of Hamas, in Israel and in Palestine, deserve as much protection and justice as possible.

Simple fact is that no one in the region is safe as long as Hamas leaders and operatives remain alive and in power. As long as Hamas is violating human rights and international law by using their citizens as human shields, justice is denied. All the same, the IDF military are practicing extreme measures to protect innocent civilians.

I was unable to suss the actual meaning behind all the jesuit doublespeak, but it sounds like Israel is doing exactly what amerika is asking for.
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Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/faith/2023/12/03/pope-francis-bronchitis-israel-gaza-war-246630
Pope Francis, fighting bronchitis, appeals for ‘a new ceasefire’ in the Israel–Hamas war

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Dec 3, 2023 — Pope Francis, describing the situation in Israel and Palestine as “serious” on Dec. 3 following the breakdown of the week-long truce and the renewal of bombing, made a passionate appeal for “a new agreement for a ceasefire” and the search for “the courageous paths to peace.”

Speaking by live television from Santa Marta, the Vatican guesthouse where he lives, the 86-year-old pope, who clearly has not yet fully recovered from a week-long bout of acute bronchitis, issued his heartfelt appeal for “a new ceasefire agreement” when he greeted thousands of pilgrims in St. Peter’s Square, who watched on large screens, at midday on Sunday, Dec. 3.

Greeting people at the beginning of the traditional midday Angelus, the pope told them his health condition was “improving,” but said he was not up to reading the catechesis: “Today also I am not able to read everything; I am improving, but my voice is still not up to it.” He said a Vatican official, Monsignor Paolo Braida, would read the texts. Although Francis coughed a little and looked somewhat tired, he recited the Angelus prayer but, unlike last week, he asked the Vatican monsignor to also read the messages after the Angelus, including his appeal for a new ceasefire in the Holy Land.

“The situation in Israel and Palestine is serious,” he said. “It is painful that the truce was broken,” he said, adding that “this means death, destruction and misery.”

He recalled how “many [of the 240] hostages were released but many are still in Gaza.” Francis, who has met relatives of some of the hostages, urged people: “Let us think of them, and their families who saw a light, a hope of embracing again their dear ones.” After the war resumed on Friday, Israel said 136 hostages still remain in Gaza. Seventeen are women and children, while 119 are men, according to the IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari. Ten are over the age of 75, while 11 are foreign nationals, AP reported.

“There’s much suffering in Gaza, the goods of basic necessity are lacking,” Francis said referring to the lack of clean water, food, medicines and shelter for the 2.3 million Palestinians in the 141 square mile Gaza enclave, where today some 1.8 million are crowded in the south of the Gaza strip. No humanitarian aid entered Gaza on Friday and only around 50 trucks were able to enter on Saturday, compared with 500 trucks a day before the war started on Oct. 7. All this is inadequate for the hungry and distraught population, more than 47 percent of whom are under the age of 18.

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Pope Francis, who phones the small Catholic community in Gaza almost every day as well as other people in the Holy Land, knows the situation well. He spoke to President Joe Biden on Oct. 22, appealing to him to do everything to stop the war, and he also spoke to Israeli President Isaac Herzog in the last week of October pleading with Israel not to respond to terror with terror, as the Washington Post and the Times of Israel reported.

Today, he renewed his appeal for a stop to the fighting and a new ceasefire. “I hope that all those who are involved may reach, as quickly as possible, a new agreement for a ceasefire and find different solutions to the arms, trying to pursue the courageous paths to peace,” the pope said.

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He also drew his audience’s attention to the fact that today is the International Day of Persons with Disabilities. “To welcome and include those who live with this condition helps the who society to become more human,” he said. He encouraged everyone — families, parishes, schools, work sites, and sport — “to learn to value every person with their qualities and capacities. And not exclude anyone.”

Pope Francis concluded by taking the microphone again to personally wish everyone a “Good Sunday,” and asking them “Please do not forget to pray for me!”


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Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/faith/2023/12/03/pope-francis-bronchitis-israel-gaza-war-246630
Pope Francis, fighting bronchitis, appeals for ‘a new ceasefire’ in the Israel–Hamas war

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The kindest thing I can think of to say is that maybe Pope Francis doesn't know that "Ceasefire" is a jihadi dog-whistle for "Gas the Jews."

Perhaps Pope Francis wants a ceasefire in the same hopeless way that we all want a ceasefire -- there's just no way that we can force Hamas to respect any civilized agreement to end hostilities. In the midst of a ceasefire and prisoner exchange that greatly favored Hamas and the Palestinians, Hamas continued to fire rockets, activate suicide bombers, and worse attacks than the atrocities of October 7.

There will be peace when Hamas wants peace, or when Hamas is unable to perpetrate any more attacks. Then there will be peace.
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Source: Vatican News
Link: vaticannews DOT va/en/pope/news/2023-12/pope-general-audience-appeal-prayers-ukraine-palestine-israel.html
Pope prays for war-torn Ukraine, Israel and Palestine

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Concluding the catechesis at the General Audience, Pope Francis reiterated his plea for prayers for all those who are suffering due to conflicts across the world.

Vatican City — As he continues to recover from bronchitis that forced him to put off a scheduled journey to Dubai to participate in the UN Climate Conference and that has seen him entrust the words of his catecheses to Vatican officials, speaking personally Pope Francis reaffirmed his closeness to those who are suffering from war in many countries across the globe.

“Let’s not forget to pray for those who suffer the tragedy of war, in particular the peoples of Ukraine, Israel, and Palestine,” he said.

Speaking after the Wednesday General Audience — read, on his behalf by Msgr Filippo Ciampanelli — the Pope reiterated his belief that “War is always a defeat. No one has anything to gain from it, it is a defeat for everyone, except for weapons manufacturers.”

More than 16,200 Palestinians, two-thirds of them women and children, have been killed in an Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip unleased on 7 October. The offensive is in retaliation for a rampage by Hamas militants who killed 1,200 Israelis and abducted 240 others. Israel says it is targeting Hamas infrastructure in Gaza and accuses the organization of using civilians as human shields. A seven-day truce saw the release of some 100 hostages. Still, the collapse of the truce over the weekend, and a renewed Israeli offensive has given way to the fiercest fighting in five weeks of military operations against Hamas militants.

Day of Prayer for Church in the East

During his greetings to the Polish pilgrims present for the Audience, the Pope also recalled that next Sunday, the second Sunday of Advent, the Church in Poland will observe the Day of Prayer and Material Help to the Church in the East.

He expressed his thanks to "all those who support the Church in that region with their prayers and offerings, especially martyred Ukraine.“

Fierce fighting continues between Russian forces and Ukraine’s military with increased attacks around Bakhmut and other areas of the east. It is estimated that at least 10,000 civilians, including over 560 children, have been killed in Ukraine since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Millions of Ukrainians have been displaced by the fighting.

A recent estimate of Russian losses said the Russian military probably suffered losses of about 70,000 soldiers killed since the start of the conflict.

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Source: National Catholic Reporter / OSV News
Link: ncronline DOT org/news/jerusalem-cardinal-israeli-palestinian-leaders-must-urgently-find-political-solution
Jerusalem cardinal: Israeli, Palestinian leaders must urgently find political solution

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Jerusalem — The current war between Israel and Hamas may finally force a diplomatic solution to the long intractable tensions between the Israelis and the Palestinians in the Holy Land, said the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem.

Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, 58, who has served as patriarch of Jerusalem since November 2020, said that while there have been constant conflicts between Israel and the Palestinians since the State of Israel was formed in 1948 and even earlier, this time, it feels very different, and a comprehensive political solution may be the only way to stop the ongoing bloodshed.

"It is a political conflict, first of all, that now is assuming more and more religious connotations, unfortunately. This makes things more difficult because religion is less open to any kind of compromise," Pizzaballa told the Rhode Island Catholic, the newspaper of the Diocese of Providence, in an Oct. 27 interview at the Latin Patriarchate in Jerusalem's Old City.

Pizzaballa said that now is the time for leaders to concentrate their efforts on finding a viable solution for all those living in the Holy Land, including the Palestinians living in the West Bank as well as the Gaza Strip.

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Pizzaballa feels that the time is now for political leaders to finally make good on slogans that have only paid lip service to resolving the long-term conflict.

"I think that, first of all, what is missing over the last 20 years is a lack of projects. We need a political project for these two peoples. A Two-State Solution was a slogan without content for many years. Now, we have to give to this slogan some content," he said.

"Now, it is quite difficult, but this situation reminds us that it is necessary to find a solution," he said.

The Latin patriarch has visited Gaza several times, with his last visit there being about seven months ago. He described the bleak conditions that many of the 2.2 million people living in the Gaza Strip — which is approximately six miles wide and 25 miles long — endure each day. Of those 2.2 million, there are about 1,000 Christians living in Gaza.

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Pizzaballa said that Christians have mostly had normal relations with Muslims in Gaza.

"They try to have as good a friendship as possible, but of course they also have the radical ones," he said, noting the existence of some radical factions among the Muslims who would rather disrupt peaceful relations with Christians than promote them.

"You can build your relations with those that are accepting you," he added.

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When the cardinal arrived back in Jerusalem [after his trip to Rome on Oct 7], the tenor felt different from previous conflicts he had experienced in the Holy Land since he had entered the first of several positions he had held there since 1990.

"There was a level of perception that this is something new and that maybe, with time, it will become clearer," he said.

The cardinal released a pastoral letter to the faithful of his diocese, condemning acts of violence and calling for a just and lasting peace in the Holy Land.

He denounced unequivocally the "atrocity" that Hamas wrought upon Israel on Oct. 7, noting that violence is not compatible with the message of the Gospel and will never bring peace.

At the same time, Pizzaballa called for an end to the "decades of occupation" and "a clear and secure national perspective to the Palestinian people," which he said is the only way that a serious peace process can begin.

"We owe it to the many victims of these days and to those of years past," he said. "We do not have the right to leave this task to others."

In the context of a media interview, which he granted shortly after his return from Rome, Pizzaballa suggested that he would offer to trade himself for the hostages held by Hamas. The news went viral, traveling around the world almost immediately, even before he had a chance to discuss it with his superiors.

But the Latin patriarch feels that one must always be bold and assert their message of truth, regardless of how political officials may react.

"It is difficult, of course, because we are in very polarized positions," Pizzaballa said. "Everyone wants you to say what they want to hear, while I have to say and what I feel in conscience I need to say according to the Gospels. And that is not immediately understood."


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Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/politics-society/2023/12/07/narrative-trauma-israel-palestine-war-246662
Why the Israel–Hamas war is so hard to talk about: identical narratives but different facts [Explainer]

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Dec 7, 2023 — Since the Oct. 7 massacre of innocent civilians by Hamas and Israel’s subsequent declaration of war on Hamas, a fascinating dynamic has emerged: the Jewish and Palestinian narratives we see posted on social media have converged — with the protagonists and antagonists reversed.

Most Jews, and especially Israeli Jews, view this conflict as an existential threat to their survival. Given that nearly half of all Jews in the world reside in Israel, should Israel lose this war, there could be another Jewish genocide, these Jews say. Palestinians and their supporters make a similar assertion: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and trying to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land, using the attack on Oct. 7 as a pretense to do so. Both groups claim that the media is biased against them, that fake news and propaganda are rampant and that these atrocities are only able to take place because too many good people remain silent.

Of course, the views people present of the conflict are rooted in much deeper narratives about the past. As we wrote in an Oct. 23 article for America, “What you choose to include or exclude from your retelling of the region’s history determines your understanding of the more recent Israeli and Palestinian conflict.” Yet what we described then as “inherently disparate narratives of the Holy Land” are often flattened in our online conversations about the Israeli–Hamas war.

The narratives are so similar that it can be difficult to determine on whose behalf certain social media posts are made. One post, for example, reads:
I learned how genocide really happens.
  1. People tell themselves “it’s complicated”.
  2. People tell themselves “it’s not my place to say something”.
  3. People are scared to speak, and punished for speaking.
  4. An entire population is made to bear the consequences of the actions of a minority.
  5. People say, “well, there’s two sides”.
  6. Yet, a relentless propaganda campaign affords nuance, humanization, and empathy to only one side.
  7. The air is hot with righteousness and vengeance.
  8. Perpetrators frame their actions as a result of “having no choice”. The choice is framed as an existential. one. Propaganda makes the populace believe the same.
Who do you suppose this post was intended to support? Israelis or Palestinians?

The answer is both. This exact post has been shared and repurposed by activists who support both groups.

Further comparisons between the Israeli and Palestinian narratives reveal that both people suffer from generational trauma. Jews carry the trauma of pogroms, the Holocaust and the mass expulsions from Middle Eastern and North African countries in 1948. Palestinians carry the trauma of their land being continually colonized by various empires, and they view the establishment of the State of Israel as yet another colonization. They are scarred from mass expulsions that took place in 1948 as well, when many were forced or encouraged to leave their homes during the war — homes to which many were unable to return. Thus, Jews fear another expulsion from their homes in the diaspora with the rise of antisemitism since Oct. 7 and expulsion or even genocide in Israel, while, simultaneously, Palestinians fear expulsion from their homes, ethnic cleansing (what they have deemed as “the second Nakba,” the second catastrophe) and genocide in Gaza by way of Israeli military invasion.

With such similar narratives, why is it so difficult for us to agree on anything? Why can’t we agree on the basic facts of the current situation? Why can’t we agree on each other’s generational trauma and the legitimacy of the fears that stem from them?

Perhaps we all fear that acknowledging someone else’s experience somehow negates our own suffering. Perhaps we cannot agree on framing and terminology — as in whether 1948 was the War of Independence or the Nakba. But perhaps we struggle most to agree on something difficult to determine: intent.

One group believes that Israel intends to secure its borders and eliminate a terrorist organization, while another believes that Israel’s intent is to remove all Palestinians from the territory. One side believes that pro-Palestinian movements are fronts for perpetrating anti-Jewish hatred, while another believes that pro-Palestinian movements are bringing awareness to injustices that Palestinians face.

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Amid the noise, the parallel stories and the self-sealing narratives that claim that opposition to them is but further proof of their correctness, there is a painful core truth: There will be no winners in this war. Both Palestinians and Israelis will endure mass casualties, while the long-hoped-for two-state solution becomes even more unattainable.

If we could begin our discourse with this reality in mind and follow by acknowledging the trauma that both Jews and Palestinians hold, we might yet escape the rhetorical echo chambers that have reduced one of the world’s most complicated and intractable conflicts to soundbites that dehumanize everyone involved. While the war in Gaza continues to unfold in excruciating ways on the ground, and our awareness of the depths of Hamas’s depravity continues to emerge, we need not allow the unthinkable events of the past two months to ricochet in such harmful ways far from the fighting itself. We all share the responsibility to improve the dialogue through more careful use of our words and more thoughtful presence online in this time of profound hurt.


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Wosbald wrote: 11 Dec 2023, 08:10 +JMJ+

Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/politics-society/2023/12/07/narrative-trauma-israel-palestine-war-246662
Why the Israel–Hamas war is so hard to talk about: identical narratives but different facts [Explainer]

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Dec 7, 2023 — Since the Oct. 7 massacre of innocent civilians by Hamas and Israel’s subsequent declaration of war on Hamas, a fascinating dynamic has emerged: the Jewish and Palestinian narratives we see posted on social media have converged — with the protagonists and antagonists reversed.

Most Jews, and especially Israeli Jews, view this conflict as an existential threat to their survival. Given that nearly half of all Jews in the world reside in Israel, should Israel lose this war, there could be another Jewish genocide, these Jews say. Palestinians and their supporters make a similar assertion: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and trying to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land, using the attack on Oct. 7 as a pretense to do so. Both groups claim that the media is biased against them, that fake news and propaganda are rampant and that these atrocities are only able to take place because too many good people remain silent.

Of course, the views people present of the conflict are rooted in much deeper narratives about the past. As we wrote in an Oct. 23 article for America, “What you choose to include or exclude from your retelling of the region’s history determines your understanding of the more recent Israeli and Palestinian conflict.” Yet what we described then as “inherently disparate narratives of the Holy Land” are often flattened in our online conversations about the Israeli–Hamas war.

The narratives are so similar that it can be difficult to determine on whose behalf certain social media posts are made. One post, for example, reads:
I learned how genocide really happens.
  1. People tell themselves “it’s complicated”.
  2. People tell themselves “it’s not my place to say something”.
  3. People are scared to speak, and punished for speaking.
  4. An entire population is made to bear the consequences of the actions of a minority.
  5. People say, “well, there’s two sides”.
  6. Yet, a relentless propaganda campaign affords nuance, humanization, and empathy to only one side.
  7. The air is hot with righteousness and vengeance.
  8. Perpetrators frame their actions as a result of “having no choice”. The choice is framed as an existential. one. Propaganda makes the populace believe the same.
Who do you suppose this post was intended to support? Israelis or Palestinians?

The answer is both. This exact post has been shared and repurposed by activists who support both groups.

Further comparisons between the Israeli and Palestinian narratives reveal that both people suffer from generational trauma. Jews carry the trauma of pogroms, the Holocaust and the mass expulsions from Middle Eastern and North African countries in 1948. Palestinians carry the trauma of their land being continually colonized by various empires, and they view the establishment of the State of Israel as yet another colonization. They are scarred from mass expulsions that took place in 1948 as well, when many were forced or encouraged to leave their homes during the war — homes to which many were unable to return. Thus, Jews fear another expulsion from their homes in the diaspora with the rise of antisemitism since Oct. 7 and expulsion or even genocide in Israel, while, simultaneously, Palestinians fear expulsion from their homes, ethnic cleansing (what they have deemed as “the second Nakba,” the second catastrophe) and genocide in Gaza by way of Israeli military invasion.

With such similar narratives, why is it so difficult for us to agree on anything? Why can’t we agree on the basic facts of the current situation? Why can’t we agree on each other’s generational trauma and the legitimacy of the fears that stem from them?

Perhaps we all fear that acknowledging someone else’s experience somehow negates our own suffering. Perhaps we cannot agree on framing and terminology — as in whether 1948 was the War of Independence or the Nakba. But perhaps we struggle most to agree on something difficult to determine: intent.

One group believes that Israel intends to secure its borders and eliminate a terrorist organization, while another believes that Israel’s intent is to remove all Palestinians from the territory. One side believes that pro-Palestinian movements are fronts for perpetrating anti-Jewish hatred, while another believes that pro-Palestinian movements are bringing awareness to injustices that Palestinians face.

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Amid the noise, the parallel stories and the self-sealing narratives that claim that opposition to them is but further proof of their correctness, there is a painful core truth: There will be no winners in this war. Both Palestinians and Israelis will endure mass casualties, while the long-hoped-for two-state solution becomes even more unattainable.

If we could begin our discourse with this reality in mind and follow by acknowledging the trauma that both Jews and Palestinians hold, we might yet escape the rhetorical echo chambers that have reduced one of the world’s most complicated and intractable conflicts to soundbites that dehumanize everyone involved. While the war in Gaza continues to unfold in excruciating ways on the ground, and our awareness of the depths of Hamas’s depravity continues to emerge, we need not allow the unthinkable events of the past two months to ricochet in such harmful ways far from the fighting itself. We all share the responsibility to improve the dialogue through more careful use of our words and more thoughtful presence online in this time of profound hurt.
This Jesuit double-speak is so embarrassing to read.

20% of Israel's population are Arab Muslims, enjoying peace,freedom and prosperity.
There are no Jews living in Palestinian-controlled Gaza, and they they wouldn't survive it.

Hamas openly admits that they want to rid the Middle East of all Jews.
No one but Hamas claims that Israelis want to rid Israel of Palestinians.
Hamas sent death squads to rape and kill Israelis, moving house-to-house and firing on a peaceful music festival, looking to start a war with the hope of eliminating Israel.
Israelis Defense Forces have taken extraordinary measures to avoid and minimize casualties among Palestinian civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Hamas knows that Israeli forces care more about the lives of Palestinians that Hamas does. IDF even cleared a corridor to allow thousands of Palestinians to flee to safety, people whom Hamas was holding in harm's way at gunpoint.

But the dumbest quote in large/bold above. Israel gave autonomy to Hamas in Gaza, and even offered to relinquish the territory to make an independent nation for Palestinians. Yet time and time again, Hamas won't come to the table to talk about it. They don't want two states; they want the Jews dead.

If Hamas had used the resources given to them for "humanitarian aid" to build up and support the Palestinians, they would be as prosperous as the Israeli regions. Hamas starved their own people to build tunnels and amass arms. Hamas sent suicide bombers, forcing the Israelis to limit the travel of Palestinians into Jewish regions. Hamas has indoctrinated a generation of children to believe that their misery is Israel's fault.

The Palestinian regions are so infested now with militant terrorists that Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt refuse to accept Palestinian refugees. They don't want the trouble.

The only possible path to peace - especially for the Palestinians - is the elimination of Hamas, just as the Allies had to eliminate Nazis in order to restore peace to Europe. No one was so stupid as to suggest that eliminating Nazis was a "genocide."
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