Wosbald wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 19:38
It says "[T]he Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel …" and not "Francis teaches, in the light of his own prudential judgement …".
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The text can be restored. It's just the Catechism... not Scripture or a Council or even a Teaching from the Chair.
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"The Church formerly taught, but no longer teaches, as Gospel-truth …" is one helluva revision.
"The Church formerly taught, but no longer teaches, as Gospel-truth …" is one helluva revision.
That is the scandal of Francis's revision, yes.
St. John Paul the Great formulated the Church's teaching and modern judicial practice, succinctly enough:
Capital punishment is permissible, after just conviction by civil authority and when necessary to keep society safe. However we now have means to keep society safe by humanely holding the convict in prison for as long as justice demands, with the hope of repentance and salvation. So the sentence of death should be rarely applied, and only under the most extreme circumstances.
Wosbald wrote: ↑22 May 2024, 09:28
"The Church formerly taught, but no longer teaches, as Gospel-truth …" is one helluva revision.
That is the scandal of Francis's revision, yes.
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Hold yer horses.
Before, you were apparently of the opinion that the Catechetical Revision merely represented Francis' personal judgment — topically significant, but negligible in the big picture.
Now, you're characterizing it as a "scandalous" reversal of solemn Church teaching, amirite?
Before, you were apparently of the opinion that the Catechetical Revision merely represented Francis' personal judgment — topically significant, but negligible in the big picture.
Now, you're characterizing it as a "scandalous" reversal of solemn Church teaching, amirite?
You don't seem to have yer story straight.
Let me put it this way: You and your party have your opinion, and I and my party have ours.
Francis should have avoided yet another cause for discord and schism. He screwed this up. That is the scandal.
I reckon the next Pope will either ratify or clarify Francis's bumblings on many concerns. In particular, I expect that the Latin Mass will be honored and no longer treated like a stepchild of faith.
Hovannes wrote: ↑12 Jun 2024, 19:23
Well, this is significant---
Dang it. Just yesterday, devout religious press and conservative media were grateful to Francis for speaking plainly against all the "faggotry" in the Vatican and renewing his opposition to ordaining gay men or admitting them into seminaries.
There's a simple principle at work here: When a gay man is put into a position of authority, he will surround himself with other gay men. This is as true of a gay bishop or cardinal promoting young gay priests around him as it was with Ernst Rohm and Hitler's Brownshirts.