Election Thread II: Kamala vs. Trump

Del · Post by **Del** » 06 Nov 2024, 06:57

Massive, record-breaking voter turn-out.

Normally, very high turn-out favors Democrats. Not this time.

Trump even won the nation-wide popular vote, thus far.

A few states are still counting, but it looks like Trump will have the popular vote. This is astounding.

Del · Post by **Del** » 06 Nov 2024, 07:15

A cute little polling factoid:

Among voters who agreed that "Democracy is threatened in America".... Trump won those voters by a 7% margin.

ChildOfGod · Post by **ChildOfGod** » 07 Nov 2024, 13:34

Something I wonder about, which is really just a thought exercise that relates a bit to my experience...

I vividly recall, as a young man, circa 1990, Desert Storm being launched. I and all of my friends were thinking that a draft may ensue and we might be looking at battlefield military service. It was a real possibility in the early days.

Present day, we support Ukraine in its war against Russia, and presently N. Korea is sending boots on the ground into Ukraine.

I know Trump's victory is owed in part to young men, and I know Trump does not support American boots on the ground in Ukraine.

What I wonder is... in the young man's mind... did a vote for Trump seem life saving; as if keeping himself off of the battlefield in Ukraine?

It's a bit fringe, and perhaps far fetched, but I wonder.

Del · Post by **Del** » 07 Nov 2024, 19:44

ChildOfGod wrote: ↑07 Nov 2024, 13:34 Something I wonder about, which is really just a thought exercise that relates a bit to my experience...

I vividly recall, as a young man, circa 1990, Desert Storm being launched. I and all of my friends were thinking that a draft may ensue and we might be looking at battlefield military service. It was a real possibility in the early days.

Present day, we support Ukraine in its war against Russia, and presently N. Korea is sending boots on the ground into Ukraine.

I know Trump's victory is owed in part to young men, and I know Trump does not support American boots on the ground in Ukraine.

What I wonder is... in the young man's mind... did a vote for Trump seem life saving; as if keeping himself off of the battlefield in Ukraine?

It's a bit fringe, and perhaps far fetched, but I wonder.

I'm gonna say that Trump voters were excited toward his demonstrated ability to negotiate for world peace and corral the bad actors (Russia, China, Iran) with sanctions.

Since we don't have boots on the ground in hot battle zones, I rather doubt that any Trump supporters were afraid of being drafted.

But maybe (I have no idea) there were some threads on Reddit among Democrat demographic types who were fearful of the wars that Kamala would awkwardly fall into. It would be curious to find out.

SlowToke · Post by **SlowToke** » 10 Nov 2024, 15:05

I'm just wondering where the 20 million votes Biden got in 2020. The excitement around this election seems exponentially greater than 2020 yet less votes. Makes you say hmmmm.

Also, how on earth did Trump get significantly more votes than Kari Lake?

And why can't Arizona get their count in like almost every other state in the US?

Also, why is it that the states the Democrats won are only states with no voter ID?

There is still a ton of irregularities that need to be answered and fixed in order for me to ever believe our elections are free and fair. I think Trump supporters just made it too big to steal and Lara Trump and the RNC was all over it like hawks in most places and there were known attempts to cheat that were thwarted by the hundreds of thousands of votes.

Drain that swamp! Let's go!

Del · Post by **Del** » 20 Nov 2024, 14:00

I grabbed a Harris/Walz sign out of the trash.

I'm ready to deploy it, in case there's a FEMA emergency.

FredS · Post by **FredS** » 21 Nov 2024, 11:44

You guys aren't going to believe this, but a few days ago, Papa Joe welcomed a fascist dictator into the White House. Shook his hand, sat him down in front of a cozy fire, and smiled for the cameras.

Probably no coincidence then, that he conspired with the lunatic in Ukraine to use US-supplied weapons to start WWIII a few days later.

Wosbald · Post by **Wosbald** » 21 Nov 2024, 16:02

+JMJ+

FredS wrote: ↑21 Nov 2024, 11:44 You guys aren't going to believe this, but a few days ago, Papa Joe welcomed a fascist dictator into the White House. Shook his hand, sat him down in front of a cozy fire, and smiled for the cameras.

[…]

I don't think this is strange at all. Rather, it seems exactly what one should expect. Joe knows he has to welcome Trump with all the formal and material niceties of Statecraft, within the bounds of legitimate American patriotism. One can't fight Fascism by becoming Fascist.

I remember reading 20+ years ago that a solid 30%± of the American citizenry are functionally Fascist — and always have been. I found that hard to believe then, easy to believe now.

Regardless, we have to find a way to live with the Fascist, which — since our nation's been doing it with varying degree of success for 250 years — shouldn't be an impossible task, even if it is a Sisyphean one. He is our brother, our sister, our mother and father, our cousin, our milkman, our friend and neighbor — and always will be. We all have a little Fascist inside just itchin' to get out. And we have to find a way to live with him whilst limiting his access to the levers of power and sabotaging his worst instincts in the body politic.

It's a hard fight but one worth fighting.

Del · Post by **Del** » 22 Nov 2024, 14:34

FredS wrote: ↑21 Nov 2024, 11:44 You guys aren't going to believe this, but a few days ago, Papa Joe welcomed a fascist dictator into the White House. Shook his hand, sat him down in front of a cozy fire, and smiled for the cameras.

Probably no coincidence then, that he conspired with the lunatic in Ukraine to use US-supplied weapons to start WWIII a few days later.

He was supposed to invade Poland! Joe can't get anything right.

Del · Post by **Del** » 22 Nov 2024, 14:36

Wosbald wrote: ↑21 Nov 2024, 16:02 +JMJ+

FredS wrote: ↑21 Nov 2024, 11:44 You guys aren't going to believe this, but a few days ago, Papa Joe welcomed a fascist dictator into the White House. Shook his hand, sat him down in front of a cozy fire, and smiled for the cameras.

[…]
I don't think this is strange at all. Rather, it seems exactly what one should expect. Joe knows he has to welcome Trump with all the formal and material niceties of Statecraft, within the bounds of legitimate American patriotism. One can't fight Fascism by becoming Fascist.

I remember reading 20+ years ago that a solid 30%± of the American citizenry are functionally Fascist — and always have been. I found that hard to believe then, easy to believe now.

Regardless, we have to find a way to live with the Fascist, which — since our nation's been doing it with varying degree of success for 250 years — shouldn't be an impossible task, even if it is a Sisyphean one. He is our brother, our sister, our mother and father, our cousin, our milkman, our friend and neighbor — and always will be. We all have a little Fascist inside just itchin' to get out. And we have to find a way to live with him whilst limiting his access to the levers of power and sabotaging his worst instincts in the body politic.

It's a hard fight but one worth fighting.

That was the point of the recent election. Taking power out of the hands of fascists.