Trump shot at Pennsylvania rally

[Del]

Interesting post, Del, and there's a part of it I want to touch on.

Clinton was the first President for which I could vote. And I'm happy I did. I don't judge a man by his wife nor do I forget that we all like bimbos and have to suppress the urge to act upon our baser instincts. That feller balanced the budget and that's what counts on the political side of the board.

Both parties seem to have forgotten something. I'm not a far right reactionary as painted by the left nor a left-leaning conservative as painted by the right.

I hold most of the views of the Democratic Party circa 1996 and I will guarantee you I'm not alone. Y'all need to come back towards the middle ground.

Regarding Hillary, I was referring to how Bill put her in charge of his grand healthcare reform. Arrogant personality aside, she was given a key role in Bill's administration. She blew it, and marred his legacy.

Hillary convened a Super Secret Committee and, after several months, emerged with a plan to nationalize all healthcare under direct government control. This did not pass as legislation, but it caused a massive Red Wave of Republicans into both houses of Congress. Then lots of smoke and fire.

Yet in the midst of it all, Bill and Newt achieved a balanced budget. Bill won re-election. In foreign policy, Bill brokered the end of the Troubles and lasting peace in Ireland. He did not impede the Reagan Recovery, and presided ably over the Internet Boom economy. He merits a better legacy than he has.

As for bimbos.... I hear ya. If I were rich and powerful enough to attract porn stars hoping for a piece of me, I can't say it wouldn't be tempting. But tender interns and Epstein's girls? Clinton likes his young'uns more than he cares about his legacy, and that's that.

[Hugo Drax]

Interesting post, Del, and there's a part of it I want to touch on.

Clinton was the first President for which I could vote. And I'm happy I did. I don't judge a man by his wife nor do I forget that we all like bimbos and have to suppress the urge to act upon our baser instincts. That feller balanced the budget and that's what counts on the political side of the board.

Both parties seem to have forgotten something. I'm not a far right reactionary as painted by the left nor a left-leaning conservative as painted by the right.

I hold most of the views of the Democratic Party circa 1996 and I will guarantee you I'm not alone. Y'all need to come back towards the middle ground.

Regarding Hillary, I was referring to how Bill put her in charge of his grand healthcare reform. Arrogant personality aside, she was given a key role in Bill's administration. She blew it, and marred his legacy.

Hillary convened a Super Secret Committee and, after several months, emerged with a plan to nationalize all healthcare under direct government control. This did not pass as legislation, but it caused a massive Red Wave of Republicans into both houses of Congress. Then lots of smoke and fire.

Yet in the midst of it all, Bill and Newt achieved a balanced budget. Bill won re-election. In foreign policy, Bill brokered the end of the Troubles and lasting peace in Ireland. He did not impede the Reagan Recovery, and presided ably over the Internet Boom economy. He merits a better legacy than he has.

As for bimbos.... I hear ya. If I were rich and powerful enough to attract porn stars hoping for a piece of me, I can't say it wouldn't be tempting. But tender interns and Epstein's girls? Clinton likes his young'uns more than he cares about his legacy, and that's that.

I don't quibble with you on Hillary, sir. Every evil for which Bill's name was mentioned, Hillary was apparently the architect. I simply divorce his legacy from hers.

I would point out that that tender intern kept the dress, which seemed odd to me then as it does now. As for Epstein's girls, I don't know. If so, I would acknowledge the sexual sins while still acknowledging the political good. I don't know.

I guess I just don't expect my social betters to be my moral betters and that might be a personal failing. But condemning a man's legacy based on his sins seems very close to condemning our founding fathers based on slaveholding or Robert E. Lee for secession. It's difficult to add up public success vs personal failure and I see my own failures and sins too clearly. Like I said, you may be right.

[Del]

I would point out that that tender intern kept the dress, which seemed odd to me then as it does now. As for Epstein's girls, I don't know. If so, I would acknowledge the sexual sins while still acknowledging the political good. I don't know.

I guess I just don't expect my social betters to be my moral betters and that might be a personal failing. But condemning a man's legacy based on his sins seems very close to condemning our founding fathers based on slaveholding or Robert E. Lee for secession. It's difficult to add up public success vs personal failure and I see my own failures and sins too clearly. Like I said, you may be right.

You and I are not responsible for Bill Clinton's legacy, anyhow. For my part, I speak respectfully of him when the topic comes up.
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Back to the assassination attempt.... Is it just me, or is this starting to look like another FBI cover-up?

And why aren't the media furiously reporting on the shooter's background and motivation? Are they having problems with their narrative again?

And the bumbling failures of the Secret Service security team.... It seems that Cheatle and Mayorkas are more concerned about defending their DEI policies than doing their jobs.

https://x.com/SecMayorkas/status/1814702960212877596

[Hugo Drax]

I would point out that that tender intern kept the dress, which seemed odd to me then as it does now. As for Epstein's girls, I don't know. If so, I would acknowledge the sexual sins while still acknowledging the political good. I don't know.

I guess I just don't expect my social betters to be my moral betters and that might be a personal failing. But condemning a man's legacy based on his sins seems very close to condemning our founding fathers based on slaveholding or Robert E. Lee for secession. It's difficult to add up public success vs personal failure and I see my own failures and sins too clearly. Like I said, you may be right.

You and I are not responsible for Bill Clinton's legacy, anyhow. For my part, I speak respectfully of him when the topic comes up.
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Back to the assassination attempt.... Is it just me, or is this starting to look like another FBI cover-up?

And why aren't the media furiously reporting on the shooter's background and motivation? Are they having problems with their narrative again?

And the bumbling failures of the Secret Service security team.... It seems that Cheatle and Mayorkas are more concerned about defending their DEI policies than doing their jobs.

https://x.com/SecMayorkas/status/1814702960212877596

Without a doubt you spoke respectfully, and I thank you for it. Hilariously given my past, I really appreciate that in an era where we liken our heroes to Christ and our enemies to Satan. No man can be fully good nor fully evil except one, and we killed him for it. Old Bill is neither my hero nor my enemy, I simply liked what happened to my country under his presidency and any man can disagree to his heart's content.

As for what's going on now, I'm truly thankful not to know.

[FredS]

Back to the assassination attempt.... Is it just me, or is this starting to look like another FBI cover-up?

And why aren't the media furiously reporting on the shooter's background and motivation? Are they having problems with their narrative again?

And the bumbling failures of the Secret Service security team.... It seems that Cheatle and Mayorkas are more concerned about defending their DEI policies than doing their jobs.

https://x.com/SecMayorkas/status/1814702960212877596

Ive been unplugged for a few so I may be out of the loop here, but it is curious that we're not hearing more dirt on the murderer. He's a white male who used an 'assault riffle' to shoot 4 people after all, so the media can blame every ill in the world on the dude if they wanted. It seems he was a bullied nerd though so maybe that cancels out some of his privilege. It's also likely that there's just been so much activity since the shooting - the RNC convention, lingering reports on the debate, calls for Biden to drop out, and his eventual acquiescence - that they've simply moved on. Add in the June debate and I think we'll long look back on the summer of '24 as a momentous time in our country's history. It's hard to see history when we're in it, but no doubt we are witnessing events that will impact our country for at least the next few generations. I simply can't imagine how bad it would have been if Trump had been killed, and I'm not certain we're out of the woods in that regard even now.

I don't expect that Cheatle is DEI enough and she'll be out by the end of the week. There's no longer any fallout if Biden takes heat for her appointment or her inaction so the D's will join the R's in calling for her resignation or firing.

[edited to correct the number of people shot at the rally from 5 to 4.]

[Del]

The short answer on the media silence is simple enough:

1) The near-miss assassination attempt made Trump look like a hero and a total badass.
2) The media are acutely aware that this kid has heard nothing but "Trump is Hitler" chatter from the media since he was 12 years old. They don't want to bear their responsibility for this.

So the shooter story gets filed in the memory hole alongside the deadly Afghanistan withdrawal debacle.

[FredS]

I've seen reports (but never dug deeper) that his parents are Trump supporters, and have wondered to myself whether the assassination attempt (and actual murder) was some sort of pushback at his parents. An "I'll show them" act of rebellion. Every young man goes through a period when he must distance himself from his father. For me it happened at age 15-16 (I left home when I was 17 but eventually circled back), but for this kid it may have happened later. Or maybe never. He may have hid in his bedroom, reading and hearing all sorts of evidence that his parents supported the evil Trump, and listened to an overbearing father tell him to 'be a man' one too many times 'till he finally exploded.

A few people know what happened, we just need a press corp that cares to dig for what will eventually come out anyway. I think Del is right that they don't want to shed much more light on an event that made Trump look badass. Hov's 'dark alley' question is spot on. On one hand we have Trump raising a defiant fist moments after being shot, and on the other we have Biden and Harris. Every voter in the country knows who we'd rather have setting across the table from Russia, or Iran, or North Korea, or China, or any of the other - lately emboldened - bad actors in the world.

[Del]

I've seen reports (but never dug deeper) that his parents are Trump supporters, and have wondered to myself whether the assassination attempt (and actual murder) was some sort of pushback at his parents.

Rumors are flying pretty fast, I guess. I never heard the one where his parents were Trump supporters.

The parents are a quiet couple who keep to themselves. Neighbors say that the mom is crippled in some way and doesn't go out much.

Pennsylvania is a state in which voters must register with a Party in order to vote in a Primary election. One parent was registered as a Democrat and one was Libertarian. This kid himself is said to have registered as a Republican in his one election since turning 18. (That may have been just to cast a vote against Trump, for all we know.) A donor with the shooter's name gave $15 to a Democrat super-PAC.
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I found this article from ABC News. It has by far the best video reconstruction of the shooting events that I have seen. Original video footage and graphic displays. 6 minutes.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-assassina ... =112057259

The shooter was straight 90° at Trump's side. Corey Compertore was on the edge of the near bleachers, some distance between the shooter and Trump. The other two injured rally-goers were on the edge of the far bleachers, far behind Trump.

[Del]

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle is testifying before Congress today. They had to subpoena her to appear, and she's stonewalling with vague answers.

Democrats are just as angry as Republicans at her refusal to be straightforward. Calling for her to resign. She's toast.

My two bits: The DEI policies that got her this job (she used to be head of security for Pepsi Co.) are likely to come under fire as well. I'd like to see head of USSS come from elite military background, myself. Situational awareness is vital. She's not guarding Doritos (as one congressman put it).

Here is a AOC on X, saying that "waiting 60 days for a report" is not going to fly this time.

https://x.com/theblaze/status/1815414877298491832

[Del]

This is a fun one: Anti-gun Democrat wants to blame the common ownership of guns by law-abiding Americans as a threat to Secret Service. Cheatle gives her standard "I'm not giving any straight answers."

She's not bright enough to throw this friendly guy a bone.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1815405127563465001