Christian Pipe Smokers

What do you think?


Yes, I try to avoid YT where I can but I didn't find this on any other platform.

Biff wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 12:49 What do you think?


Yes, I try to avoid YT where I can but I didn't find this on any other platform.

This is exactly what is happening in the Catholic Church today.

+JMJ+

Biff wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 12:49 What do you think?

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One example of excessive simplification lifted from the vid: "The Catholic Church thought it was safe from infiltration because they thought, 'What Communist is gonna take a life-long vow of celibacy to become a Catholic priest?' "

Rather, I'd say that — at least in the final instance — we believe that we're safe from infiltration cuz no Pope, in the exercise of the Petrine Office, could ever be an "Enemy" of the Church. Full-Stop.

So we believe that — just as no Pope, no matter what affinity he has for capitalistic modes of production, will ever baptize the fundamental errors of ideologized Capitalism — no Pope, regardless of his affinity for socialistic modes of production, will ever baptize the fundamental errors of ideologized Socialism (e.g. Marxist Communism).

So if someone really thinks the Pope is a strict "Enemy", they might wanna check themselves b4 they wreck themselves.

Wosbald wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 16:14 Rather, I'd say that — at least in the final instance — we believe that we're safe from infiltration cuz no Pope, in the exercise of the Petrine Office, could ever be an "Enemy" of the Church. Full-Stop.

Why do you believe that?

+JMJ+

Del wrote: ↑03 Feb 2024, 21:45

Wosbald wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 16:14 Rather, I'd say that — at least in the final instance — we believe that we're safe from infiltration cuz no Pope, in the exercise of the Petrine Office, could ever be an "Enemy" of the Church. Full-Stop.

Why do you believe that?

Cuz that's the only way Catholicity has any existential coherence. Barring that, the practice-of-faith is a schizophrenic endeavor prey to insoluble contradictions.

Wosbald wrote: ↑04 Feb 2024, 00:09 +JMJ+

Del wrote: ↑03 Feb 2024, 21:45

Wosbald wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 16:14 Rather, I'd say that — at least in the final instance — we believe that we're safe from infiltration cuz no Pope, in the exercise of the Petrine Office, could ever be an "Enemy" of the Church. Full-Stop.

Why do you believe that?

Cuz that's the only way Catholicity has any existential coherence. Barring that, the practice-of-faith is a schizophrenic endeavor prey to insoluble contradictions.

But even trust in the promises of Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit can be taken to extremes beyond reason and experience.

We know that it is possible for more bishops teaching error than teaching truth, as happened during the Arian Heresy.

We know that popes and patriarchs can teach serious errors, such as Nestorius. Such errors are eventually corrected in Council by the Holy Spirit, but it's still tough for people living through it.

We know that popes can live and speak in ways and scandal that lead many Christians astray. I speak of the Avignon Papacy period, resulting in rival anti-popes and factions. And of Alexander IV, whose decadence a few decades before Luther set the stage for the scourge of the Protestant Revolt.

And mind you, we still have the biblical prophesy of the Great Apostasy in which many who should know better will be lead astray. We are certainly living in a period of great apostasy now. This might be the Big One.
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We have been blessed with five centuries of wise and holy Popes. The Holy Spirit has been generous to us.

But right now we have a Pope who is flirting with modernist errors -- tempting us to embrace divorce, homosexuality & drag queens, and Marxist social ideals. His treatment of Cardinal Burke, Bishop Strickland, and Catholics throughout the world who are devoted to the Latin Mass has been unwarranted and harsh.

This is tough to live through, but we have seen worse. We know that the Catholic Church will survive when everything else around us has failed.

Just don't be so naive as to think that God will not allow Satan to use our own pope as a club against us. It has happened before.

+JMJ+

Del wrote: ↑04 Feb 2024, 07:57

Wosbald wrote: ↑04 Feb 2024, 00:09

Del wrote: ↑03 Feb 2024, 21:45 Why do you believe that?

Cuz that's the only way Catholicity has any existential coherence. Barring that, the practice-of-faith is a schizophrenic endeavor prey to insoluble contradictions.

But even trust in the promises of Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit can be taken to …

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… Satan to use our own pope as a club against us. It has happened before.

The Church's teaching, in its living Magisterium, should inform one's reading of history — not vice versa.

Yer welome.

Wosbald wrote: ↑04 Feb 2024, 10:11
The Church's teaching, in its living Magisterium, should inform one's reading of history — not vice versa.

Yer welome.

That's insulting, and you know it.

My life and reading are informed by my faith. My trust in Christ's Church is why I reject ultramontanism. Bad popes happen, and they do great harm to believers and non-believers.

I am not a Protestant because I know (with the fullness of faith) that bad popes cannot harm the divine institution of the Church. I am able to see that bad popes for what they are.

When a guy like Francis gets full-throated support from faux-Catholic editors at National Catholic Reporter and America, as well as support from the secular media.... it's a sign of warning.

@14:38
“The Pope is a Marxist there’s no question about that”

+JMJ+

Jocose wrote: ↑04 Feb 2024, 13:10 @14:38
“The Pope is a Marxist there’s no question about that”

That is, at least according to <checks the YouTube description> "2 Godly men of understanding".

That clinches it. I am so totally abandoning the Pope in favor of these very stable geniuses.