FredS wrote: 11 Mar 2025, 16:41
Not really sure Zelenskyy or Ukraine is Jewish and I'm not sure why that matters. Regardless, we (the US) have given them $3 billion and have committed even more, so if he/they are, we're hardly coming across as antisemitic. To the extent that we want Ukrainians (who evidently are Jewish) to stop dying - more than their leader does - we seem pretty pro Jew.
Attitudes which suggest that one can buy one's way out of charges of Antisemitism are textbook examples of the problem.
Let me see if I have this straight....
A guy among the anti-Semite Democrat media is attacking Trump's diplomacy regarding the Ukraine War by claiming that Zelenskyy is Jewish -- and Trump's reaction to Zelenskyy's behavior during his recent visit is motivated by Trump's "anti-Semitism." Is this right?
Are there a half-dozen reasonable Americans who buy this garbage?
Zelenskyy has apologized for his outbursts and pledged to participate in the peace process. Negotiations are progressing into the sensitive stage of bringing Putin to the table. This peace is going to happen. And Americans, and especially President Trump, continue to support and protect Jews against leftist anti-Semitism.
In the meantime, jihadi activists hiding behind student visas are getting sent home.
FredS wrote: 11 Mar 2025, 16:41
Not really sure Zelenskyy or Ukraine is Jewish and I'm not sure why that matters. Regardless, we (the US) have given them $3 billion and have committed even more, so if he/they are, we're hardly coming across as antisemitic. To the extent that we want Ukrainians (who evidently are Jewish) to stop dying - more than their leader does - we seem pretty pro Jew.
Attitudes which suggest that one can buy one's way out of charges of Antisemitism are textbook examples of the problem.
Oooh, that's rich. Words matter of course, but actions mean more in times of war. Short of sending our young people over to die for these European 'Jews' - and starting a larger war that will see their entire country melted by a few Russian nukes - what is the best thing we can do to support them? Give them weapons? Welcome them to our headquarters to show public support? Push for a diplomatic end to them being killed? Urge their neighbors to do the same things?
Attitudes which suggest that one should sit by and watch, or perhaps even actively push, as thousands march blindly towards death on the front lines in an unwinnable war (canon fodder, essentially) are textbook examples of the problem.
If we ever get to heaven boys, it ain't because we ain't done nothin' wrong. - Kris Kristofferson
Wosbald wrote: 11 Mar 2025, 17:43
Attitudes which suggest that one can buy one's way out of charges of Antisemitism are textbook examples of the problem.
Oooh, that's rich. Words matter of course, but actions mean more in times of war. Short of sending our young people over to die for these European 'Jews' - and starting a larger war that will see their entire country melted by a few Russian nukes - what is the best thing we can do to support them? …
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The best thing(s) we can (not) do:
Not insist that a sovereign nation abandon seeking redress of their injured Rights — abandon seeking Justice in the International Rules-Based Order.
Not insult and belittle the duly-elected representative of said nation because he insists on pursuing said redress.
Not blame said duly-elected representative for his nation's Rights impeding peace.
Not blame said duly-elected representative for his nation's Rights goading WWⅢ.
If we don't do these things, then we won't (or at least, shouldn't) be accused of Antisemitism when said duly-elected representative happens to be a Jew.
I admit the belittling dress down would have been better with the cameras off, but both sides knew the cameras were on, so both sides played to their respective audiences once that ball got rolling. That said, I don't think Trump was being Antisemitic and I don't think Zelenskyy was being Zionist and I think it's counter-productive to even enter that into the conversation unless one intends to drive the wedge between the two even deeper.
But really, Ukraine and their allies/neighbors very intentionally put themselves in the position that they have to come to us with their hats in hand when it hits the fan. Trump has now told them - very publicly - to honor the commitments they've already made to spend the money required to protect themselves because our endless aid will no longer be unconditional. Notice what happened during Zelenskyy's European tour directly after his visit with Trump. All the leaders he went to committed to stepping up their support in those areas where the US threatened to pull back. They had 2 years to step up and they never did because they knew they didn't have to.
If we ever get to heaven boys, it ain't because we ain't done nothin' wrong. - Kris Kristofferson
FredS wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 10:43
I admit the belittling dress down would have been better with the cameras off, but both sides knew the cameras were on, so both sides played to their respective audiences once that ball got rolling. That said, I don't think Trump was being Antisemitic and I don't think Zelenskyy was being Zionist and I think it's counter-productive to even enter that into the conversation unless one intends to drive the wedge between the two even deeper.
But really, Ukraine and their allies/neighbors very intentionally put themselves in the position that they have to come to us with their hats in hand when it hits the fan. Trump has now told them - very publicly - to honor the commitments they've already made to spend the money required to protect themselves because our endless aid will no longer be unconditional. Notice what happened during Zelenskyy's European tour directly after his visit with Trump. All the leaders he went to committed to stepping up their support in those areas where the US threatened to pull back. They had 2 years to step up and they never did because they knew they didn't have to.
FredS wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 10:43
… I don't think Trump was being Antisemitic …
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Unless one doesn't share the framework of the aforementioned Rules-Based Order (i.e. International Law, Human Rights, etc.), there's no way to argue that Trump was not being Antisemitic.
FredS wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 10:43
… I don't think Trump was being Antisemitic …
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Unless one doesn't share the framework of the aforementioned Rules-Based Order (i.e. International Law, Human Rights, etc.), there's no way to argue that Trump was not being Antisemitic.
It's based on fact, not based on Trump's feels.
Wouldn't someone need to prove that Zelenskyy is Jewish and that Ukraine is a Jewish state first?
And then prove that any actual opposition to Zelenskyy and Ukraine exists?
And then provide some evidence that this opposition is motivated by anti-Semitism?
I'm not sure that any one of these conditions exists. Certainly not all three... It is downright foolish to insist so.
-- Which explains why the original op-ed article was published on some downright foolish substack.... It isn't even reported by any reputable anti-Trump media.
Trump loves Israel and Jews, especially his Jewish children and grandchildren. Trump's policies -- good or bad, wise or ill-advised -- are not motivated by anti-Semitism.
Title: Bishop Seitz Announces March to Protest Mass Deportations
Source: Deacon's Bench / OSV News
Link: thedeaconsbench DOT com/bishop-seitz-announces-march-to-protest-mass-deportations/
The Money-Quote:
In a March 10 open letter to El Paso’s borderlands community, Bishop Seitz invited area residents, “all people of faith and everyone committed to the common good” to gather March 24 at 6 p.m. at San Jacinto Plaza, located in El Paso’s downtown, with participants marching to Sacred Heart Church. The El Paso church operated a shelter for migrants that served some 30,000 from 2022–2024.
The march and vigil, organized in partnership with Hope Border Institute — an El Paso-based immigrant advocacy nonprofit — will take place, as Bishop Seitz noted, on the feast of St. Óscar Romero, the martyred archbishop of San Salvador known for his fierce defense of human rights and the marginalized.
“The threat of mass deportations is untenable and immoral and demands a credible response,” Bishop Seitz said in his open letter.
He added, “Together, we will march in solidarity with all our neighbors gripped by fear at this moment. Let us walk together, confident that God is present in our desires for a more just world and in our actions to make them a reality.”
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The Church's prophetic voice — its parrhesia — is growing louder.
