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Keep the creche in Christmas, pope urges [Video]

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The figure of one of the Three Kings is seen as the the Nativity scene and Christmas tree decorate St. Peter's Square after a lighting ceremony at the Vatican Dec. 3, 2022. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Stopping to gaze at and perhaps pray before a Nativity scene is one of the best ways to remember the real meaning of Christmas, Pope Francis said.

Pope Francis met Dec. 3 with the artisans who carved the 18-piece Nativity scene in St. Peter’s Square; the donors of the white pine Christmas tree; the residents of a psychiatric rehabilitation center who, along with a group of students and grandparents, created the ornaments; and with representatives of the government of Guatemala, which set up another Nativity scene in the Vatican audience hall.

“Simple and familiar, the Nativity scene recalls a Christmas that is different from the consumerist and commercial Christmas. It is something else. It reminds us how good it is for us to cherish moments of silence and prayer in our days, often overwhelmed by frenzy,” Pope Francis told them during a midday gathering.

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Pope Francis visits a Nativity scene during an audience with the donors of the Vatican Christmas tree and the Nativity scenes, in the Paul VI hall at the Vatican Dec. 3, 2022. (CNS photo/Remo Casilli, Reuters)

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“Silence encourages contemplation of the child Jesus,” the pope said, and “helps us to become intimate with God, with the fragile simplicity of a tiny newborn baby, with the meekness of his being laid down, with the tender affection of the swaddling clothes that envelop him.”

“If we really want to celebrate Christmas,” he said, “let us rediscover through the crib the surprise and amazement of littleness, the littleness of God, who makes himself small, who is not born in the splendor of appearances, but in the poverty of a stable.”



To truly encounter Jesus, the pope said, people must meet him in the manger, leaving their own vanity and pretense behind.

“Prayer is the best way to say thank you before this gift of free love, to say thank you to Jesus who desires to enter our homes and our hearts,” he said. “Yes, God loves us so much that he shares our humanity and our lives.”

“Even in the worst moments,” the pope said, “he is there, because he is the Emmanuel, the God with us, the light that illuminates the darkness and the tender presence that accompanies us on our journey.”

The lights on the Christmas tree, he said, are a reminder that Jesus came “to lighten our darkness, our existence often enclosed in the shadow of sin, fear, pain.”

But, the pope said, the tree also should make people think about the importance of roots.

Like a tree, he said, only a person who is “rooted in good soil remains firm, grows, matures, resists the winds that shake him and becomes a point of reference for those who look upon him.”

The Christmas tree, Pope Francis said, is a reminder of the need to remain rooted in Christ.
 
 
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A young priest from Diocese of Madison has been working in the Vatican. (Well, he was young when I knew him. He's been there for some years.)

He is a canon lawyer specialist. He works at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Since the time of JPII, under Ratzinger/Benedict, the CDF has handled discipline for sex abuse cases by priests and clergy.

Last May, Pope Francis appointed Fr. Tait in charge of the department for discipline of abusive priests.
Pope names American for key Vatican role to handle clerical sexual abuse
(behind a paywall, but you get the summary paragraphs)

We just learned that Fr. Tait is being dismissed and sent home.

"Someone of sufficient authority" discovered that Fr. Tait had celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass in Rome.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... oman-curia
According to a CNA [Catholic News Agency] source, Cardinal Ladaria called the promoted priest [Fr. Tait] in, apologizing and hinting that the decision came from above — in other words, Pope Francis personally. There was a report that Father Schroeder had occasionally celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass for groups of pilgrims. This had only happened sometimes and never after the publication of the Traditionis Custodes [Pope Francis's motu proprio restricting TLM]. However, because of this, there seems to have been pressure by the pope for the Monsignor to resign from the post he had just received — which he promptly did.
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I don't want to have a personal opinion about this. American Catholics respect the Latin worship. Many love it. A lot of good fruit -- the TLM has brought a great many young families into close-knit Catholic communities.

Francis has his reasons for wanting to suppress this worship. Perhaps it is creating problems and divisions in other parts of the world. I don't know.

We are happy to welcome Fr. Tait home.
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Wosbald wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 08:39 +JMJ+

Keep the creche in Christmas, pope urges [Video]

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The figure of one of the Three Kings is seen as the the Nativity scene and Christmas tree decorate St. Peter's Square after a lighting ceremony at the Vatican Dec. 3, 2022. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Stopping to gaze at and perhaps pray before a Nativity scene is one of the best ways to remember the real meaning of Christmas, Pope Francis said.

Pope Francis met Dec. 3 with the artisans who carved the 18-piece Nativity scene in St. Peter’s Square; the donors of the white pine Christmas tree; the residents of a psychiatric rehabilitation center who, along with a group of students and grandparents, created the ornaments; and with representatives of the government of Guatemala, which set up another Nativity scene in the Vatican audience hall.

“Simple and familiar, the Nativity scene recalls a Christmas that is different from the consumerist and commercial Christmas. It is something else. It reminds us how good it is for us to cherish moments of silence and prayer in our days, often overwhelmed by frenzy,” Pope Francis told them during a midday gathering.

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Pope Francis visits a Nativity scene during an audience with the donors of the Vatican Christmas tree and the Nativity scenes, in the Paul VI hall at the Vatican Dec. 3, 2022. (CNS photo/Remo Casilli, Reuters)

[…]

“Silence encourages contemplation of the child Jesus,” the pope said, and “helps us to become intimate with God, with the fragile simplicity of a tiny newborn baby, with the meekness of his being laid down, with the tender affection of the swaddling clothes that envelop him.”

“If we really want to celebrate Christmas,” he said, “let us rediscover through the crib the surprise and amazement of littleness, the littleness of God, who makes himself small, who is not born in the splendor of appearances, but in the poverty of a stable.”



To truly encounter Jesus, the pope said, people must meet him in the manger, leaving their own vanity and pretense behind.

“Prayer is the best way to say thank you before this gift of free love, to say thank you to Jesus who desires to enter our homes and our hearts,” he said. “Yes, God loves us so much that he shares our humanity and our lives.”

“Even in the worst moments,” the pope said, “he is there, because he is the Emmanuel, the God with us, the light that illuminates the darkness and the tender presence that accompanies us on our journey.”

The lights on the Christmas tree, he said, are a reminder that Jesus came “to lighten our darkness, our existence often enclosed in the shadow of sin, fear, pain.”

But, the pope said, the tree also should make people think about the importance of roots.

Like a tree, he said, only a person who is “rooted in good soil remains firm, grows, matures, resists the winds that shake him and becomes a point of reference for those who look upon him.”

The Christmas tree, Pope Francis said, is a reminder of the need to remain rooted in Christ.
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Del wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 12:48 A young priest from Diocese of Madison has been working in the Vatican. (Well, he was young when I knew him. He's been there for some years.)

He is a canon lawyer specialist. He works at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Since the time of JPII, under Ratzinger/Benedict, the CDF has handled discipline for sex abuse cases by priests and clergy.

Last May, Pope Francis appointed Fr. Tait in charge of the department for discipline of abusive priests.
Pope names American for key Vatican role to handle clerical sexual abuse
(behind a paywall, but you get the summary paragraphs)

We just learned that Fr. Tait is being dismissed and sent home.

"Someone of sufficient authority" discovered that Fr. Tait had celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass in Rome.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... oman-curia
According to a CNA [Catholic News Agency] source, Cardinal Ladaria called the promoted priest [Fr. Tait] in, apologizing and hinting that the decision came from above — in other words, Pope Francis personally. There was a report that Father Schroeder had occasionally celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass for groups of pilgrims. This had only happened sometimes and never after the publication of the Traditionis Custodes [Pope Francis's motu proprio restricting TLM]. However, because of this, there seems to have been pressure by the pope for the Monsignor to resign from the post he had just received — which he promptly did.
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I don't want to have a personal opinion about this. American Catholics respect the Latin worship. Many love it. A lot of good fruit -- the TLM has brought a great many young families into close-knit Catholic communities.

Francis has his reasons for wanting to suppress this worship. Perhaps it is creating problems and divisions in other parts of the world. I don't know.

We are happy to welcome Fr. Tait home.
If Rome doesn't want him, can California have him?
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Del wrote: 06 Dec 2022, 12:48 A young priest from Diocese of Madison has been working in the Vatican. (Well, he was young when I knew him. He's been there for some years.)

He is a canon lawyer specialist. He works at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Since the time of JPII, under Ratzinger/Benedict, the CDF has handled discipline for sex abuse cases by priests and clergy.

Last May, Pope Francis appointed Fr. Tait in charge of the department for discipline of abusive priests.
Pope names American for key Vatican role to handle clerical sexual abuse
(behind a paywall, but you get the summary paragraphs)

We just learned that Fr. Tait is being dismissed and sent home.

"Someone of sufficient authority" discovered that Fr. Tait had celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass in Rome.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... oman-curia
According to a CNA [Catholic News Agency] source, Cardinal Ladaria called the promoted priest [Fr. Tait] in, apologizing and hinting that the decision came from above — in other words, Pope Francis personally. There was a report that Father Schroeder had occasionally celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass for groups of pilgrims. This had only happened sometimes and never after the publication of the Traditionis Custodes [Pope Francis's motu proprio restricting TLM]. However, because of this, there seems to have been pressure by the pope for the Monsignor to resign from the post he had just received — which he promptly did.
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I don't want to have a personal opinion about this. American Catholics respect the Latin worship. Many love it. A lot of good fruit -- the TLM has brought a great many young families into close-knit Catholic communities.

Francis has his reasons for wanting to suppress this worship. Perhaps it is creating problems and divisions in other parts of the world. I don't know.

We are happy to welcome Fr. Tait home.
This looks a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.
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I'll admit that my Pope Francis intake had been severely limited after the downfall of CPS1.
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Hugo Drax wrote: 07 Dec 2022, 05:01 This looks a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.
Who knows? It could be something innocently inept and Italian.

"You are doing a most wonderful job and of course you deserve this promotion, but we failed to note that your 5-year loan to the Vatican is ending in a few months. You will be returning to your bishop soon. We should install a leader who can serve here longer, for the smoother operation of this department.

"Naturally, of course, this would not be my choice... you must understand this. Such decisions come from "higher up," in all cases. Could you please do us the honor of resigning from this assignment?"


Romanitas is difficult for Americans to translate. This means something like, "I screwed up. Help me out of this jam."

We don't really know if his celebration of the Latin Mass with pilgrims from Madison had anything to do with it. Rome runs on rumors.
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Del wrote: 07 Dec 2022, 07:28
Hugo Drax wrote: 07 Dec 2022, 05:01 This looks a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.
Who knows? It could be something innocently inept and Italian.

"You are doing a most wonderful job and of course you deserve this promotion, but we failed to note that your 5-year loan to the Vatican is ending in a few months. You will be returning to your bishop soon. We should install a leader who can serve here longer, for the smoother operation of this department.

"Naturally, of course, this would not be my choice... you must understand this. Such decisions come from "higher up," in all cases. Could you please do us the honor of resigning from this assignment?"


Romanitas is difficult for Americans to translate. This means something like, "I screwed up. Help me out of this jam."

We don't really know if his celebration of the Latin Mass with pilgrims from Madison had anything to do with it. Rome runs on rumors.
Given the way Francis I has run his papacy so far, this is more like Romanitas for "Oh, crap, we thought you had a nice, progressive pedigree, but we found these pictures of your Young Republican days on Twitter."
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mcommini wrote: 07 Dec 2022, 14:58
Del wrote: 07 Dec 2022, 07:28
Hugo Drax wrote: 07 Dec 2022, 05:01 This looks a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.
Who knows? It could be something innocently inept and Italian.

"You are doing a most wonderful job and of course you deserve this promotion, but we failed to note that your 5-year loan to the Vatican is ending in a few months. You will be returning to your bishop soon. We should install a leader who can serve here longer, for the smoother operation of this department.

"Naturally, of course, this would not be my choice... you must understand this. Such decisions come from "higher up," in all cases. Could you please do us the honor of resigning from this assignment?"


Romanitas is difficult for Americans to translate. This means something like, "I screwed up. Help me out of this jam."

We don't really know if his celebration of the Latin Mass with pilgrims from Madison had anything to do with it. Rome runs on rumors.
Given the way Francis I has run his papacy so far, this is more like Romanitas for "Oh, crap, we thought you had a nice, progressive pedigree, but we found these pictures of your Young Republican days on Twitter."
Don't bother. When Del can't explain something, he just blames it on the charming inadequacies of what he considers a foreign race. Meanwhile, we should remember his people confuse brandy for whiskey and are fundamentally unsound.
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