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Title: BRIC by BRIC, the foundation for Pope’s geopolitical endgame is being laid [News Analysis]
Source: Crux
Link: cruxnow DOT com/news-analysis/2023/08/bric-by-bric-the-foundation-for-popes-geopolitical-endgame-is-being-laid

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In the future, August 2023 may come to be see as a turning point in paving the way for Vatican relations with both China and Saudi Arabia, and, more broadly, in the Vatican’s transition away from being perceived as a pillar of Western civilization to being a genuinely global and non-aligned institution, as equidistant from Washington and Brussels as from Moscow and Beijing.

By all accounts, China under Xi Jinping was the driving force behind the BRICS expansion, as a key expression of its overall strategic aim of countering Western control of the global economy and major world institutions. China’s aspiration is to build a more multilateral world order, one not exclusively denominated in dollars and not dominated by the United States.

As it happens, that vision dovetails fairly neatly with Pope Francis’s agenda for global affairs. In a recent interview, the pope described himself as a “stone in the shoe” to many for his criticism of empires — and, since he was speaking in the context of Latin America, it was fairly clear which “empire” in particular he had in mind.

Increasingly, China may come to see the Vatican under Francis as an ally in the effort to build an alternative to the Western world order. Naturally, the pope’s willingness to sign and stand by a controversial agreement with China over the appointment of bishops in the country, despite difficulties in its application, augments the impression of common cause, as does the rough alignment between Rome and Beijing on the conflict in Ukraine.

Moreover, a BRICS coalition containing not just Brazil but also Argentina may be in a stronger position to make the case to Xi that the Catholic Church, and specifically the Vatican, can be an asset at least as much as an irritant. Lula, a close friend and political ally of Francis, may be in a particularly strong position to help press that argument.

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[F]rom the Vatican’s point of view in the Pope Francis era, the BRICS growth is hopeful not only as a harbinger of a more multilateral world, but also one in which the final holdouts on diplomatic relations with the Holy See may finally be induced to come on board — because, under Francis, a gain for the Vatican is no longer necessarily seen as a gain for the West, and certainly not for the U.S.


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Source: National Catholic Reporter / CNS
Link: ncronline DOT org/vatican/vatican-news/world-needs-politicians-who-uphold-catholic-social-teaching-pope-says
World needs politicians who uphold Catholic social teaching, pope says

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Vatican City — Pope Francis prayed that God would raise up a new generation of "well-educated and faithful Catholics leaders committed to promoting the church's social and ethical teachings" through public service, especially in politics.

Such leaders, he told members of the International Catholic Legislators Network, can contribute to building God's kingdom by placing human life and dignity at the center of their concern and ensuring care for the environment and the world's poorest people.

The pope met at the Vatican Aug. 26 with the legislators who were holding their annual meeting in Frascati, south of Rome, and focusing on what they see as "dehumanizing trends" in politics, economics and technology.

A key feature of the trends, which have a "negative impact upon both human and natural ecology alike," the pope said, is a "subtle seduction of the human spirit, lulling people — and especially the young — into misusing their freedom."

"We see this when men and women are encouraged to exercise control over, instead of responsible custodianship of material or economic 'objects,' the natural resources of our common home or even one another," the pope said.

Seeing everything and even other people as an object to be used for one's personal benefit, he said, "ultimately impacts most negatively on the poorest and most vulnerable in society."

Even the connections people find on social media can be dehumanizing, he said, when they are used to spread "fake news" or to promote hatred and division.

"This misuse of virtual encounter can only be overcome by the culture of authentic encounter, which involves a radical call to respect and to listen to one another, including those with whom we may strongly disagree," Francis told the legislators.

On the other hand, he said, international networks like the Catholic legislators' group can show a better way not only by connecting people, but also by uniting them in a common project.

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Title: Pope Francis: Synod proceedings will be secret to avoid ideology and gossip
Source: America Magazine
Link: americamagazine DOT org/faith/2023/09/04/pope-france-mongolia-china-vietnam-russia-plane-rome-245995

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On China and Vatican relations

Given that China has impacted in a highly significant and negative way on Pope Francis’ visit to Mongolia, he was asked about the current state of Sino–Vatican relations in the light of Beijing’s prohibiting all Chinese bishops, as well as the faithful, from going to Mongolia for the pope’s visit.

Francis, in his reply, avoided any mention of Beijing’s prohibition of travel among the Chinese faithful to Mongolia. Instead he asserted that the China–Vatican relations are “respectful,” even if that is not the word that most observers and many church people would have chosen.

He spoke about the ongoing dialogue between the two sides in reference to the nomination of bishops in accordance with the provisional agreement signed in Beijing in September 2018, even though Beijing has twice breached that agreement. He highlighted the fact that Catholic intellectuals have been invited to universities in mainland China to teach there.

He emphasized the need “to go forward much more in the religious aspect so as to understand each other better,” so that Chinese citizens may no longer think that Chinese Catholics are subject to foreign powers.

His answer to the question revealed that he wished to calm the waters and move forward in the hope of a more constructive dialog with Beijing.

Pope Francis has been exploring ways to create a climate, through concrete humanitarian actions, to bring an end to the war in Ukraine. He appointed the Italian Cardinal Matteo Zuppi as his peace envoy and sent him to Kyiv, Moscow and Washington. The cardinal has been waiting for Beijing to open the doors to him. Asked when the cardinal might meet with authorities in China, Francis gave no indication as to when Cardinal Zuppi might get the green light.


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BREAKING: Pope Francis reportedly set to ask Bishop Strickland to resign

By the Lord's will, may this please turn out to be a "rumor" and a change of heart in our Holy Father.
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The article in the twitter link lists many of the principals involved in Strickland's Inquisition.

And most of those prelates named are allied with the lavender mafia.

Pope Francis is not going to come down in support of someone who has publicly criticized him. He will send another message to faithful and orthodox Catholics.... we must keep quiet.

This has happened before. This isn't the first time that faithful Catholics have had to go underground in our own Church.
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Attached article also lists "contraception" as a grave sin. Those who persist in using contraception to sterilize their relations should not accept Jesus as their Savior in the Eucharist.

This teaching is not unique to Bishop Strickland.

Every Catholic moral leader, including the Bible and the Catechism, teaches that we must not dare to accept Jesus while we are persisting in a state of mortal sin.

Fornication, adultery, and active homosexuality all mean sexual relationships outside of a sacramental marriage that is open to life. They don't just harm the sinner; they affect other people as well.

Sexual immorality is the most common type of mortal sin in our culture. Often, these are "public" sins -- casual acquaintances know about it, and so these sins affect the whole of society. For this reason, pastors need to preach against these sins -- publicly and often.

Most pastors don't have the courage to confront the sins that their congregations love most. Might lose some donations, you know. Might even lose your head, like St. John the Baptist.

Bishop Strickland is being persecuted for preaching bravely. But mostly, for publicly accusing Pope Francis of failing to preach courageously.
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Del wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 16:10
Attached article also lists "contraception" as a grave sin. Those who persist in using contraception to sterilize their relations should not accept Jesus as their Savior in the Eucharist.

This teaching is not unique to Bishop Strickland.

Every Catholic moral leader, including the Bible and the Catechism, teaches that we must not dare to accept Jesus while we are persisting in a state of mortal sin.

Fornication, adultery, and active homosexuality all mean sexual relationships outside of a sacramental marriage that is open to life. They don't just harm the sinner; they affect other people as well.

Sexual immorality is the most common type of mortal sin in our culture. Often, these are "public" sins -- casual acquaintances know about it, and so these sins affect the whole of society. For this reason, pastors need to preach against these sins -- publicly and often.

Most pastors don't have the courage to confront the sins that their congregations love most. Might lose some donations, you know. Might even lose your head, like St. John the Baptist.

Bishop Strickland is being persecuted for preaching bravely. But mostly, for publicly accusing Pope Francis of failing to preach courageously.
Many people are curious why Pope Francis would then consider removing Bishop Strickland?
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Jocose wrote: 13 Sep 2023, 16:54 Bishop Strickland is being persecuted for preaching bravely. But mostly, for publicly accusing Pope Francis of failing to preach courageously.
Many people are curious why Pope Francis would then consider removing Bishop Strickland?
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Bishop Strickland publicly criticized Pope Francis. This is simply retaliation.

There's more to the story. A religious sister in France also spoke publicly against Pope Francis, and under pressure from the Vatican she was expelled from her order (Dominican, I think). She was supposed to go quietly into the night. Instead, she has resurfaced in the Diocese of Tyler... teaching at a Catholic high school under Bishop Strickland's care.

St. Bridget of Sweden and St. Catherine of Sienna could get away with openly criticizing the Pope (during the Avignon Captivity, 1300's), but Francis does not tolerate criticism of his behavior. Strickland is getting the same treatment as Archbishop Viganò.

But why such a crackdown against brave, orthodox Catholic bishops, priests, and religious? Lots of tongues are wagging, and I don't want to add calumny to my own list of sins.

It could be his age. He's 86 -- older than Biden, who is also a Catholic.
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