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[FredS]

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I see now why they also chant "Death to America."

Kids who can't tell if they are boys or girls are just the type who couldn't tell a great nation from a terrorist regime.

Palestine is not a "terrorist regime". It is the homeland of an Indigenous People.

Support for Palestinians does not necessarily equate to Support for Hamas, just as Support for Israel's Right to Self-Defense does not necessarily equate to Support for "Gazatrocities".

Talk about "not being able to tell the diff".

To be fair, Hamas is the de-facto government of Gaza AND the Palestinians who live there. Everyone knows the difference between Hamas soldiers and the innocents they hide behind, but c'mon man, who's really putting those innocents in danger? How else can Hamas be killed? Both sides are warring. Did anyone sneak over and blow up schools or hospitals or soccer stadiums in Gaza until chickenshit combatants started hiding out in those places? Think Hamas cares more for the lives of Palestinian children than Israeli children? In their mind, anyone who's not picking up a rifle to defend Gaza is an enemy and deserves no more consideration than a cockroach, and if one can take a bullet to protect a soldier they don't care, and Allah's going to scoop them up in his loving arms anyway.

Like with the Nazis in Germany, if they could be picked off discriminately, one at a time, they would be. Of course one then opens oneself up to charges of assassination rather than war. Come to think of it, Israel has more experience with precise targeting of individuals and specific installations than any nation in history and that's how they roll unless someone declares all out war on them. Look how precisely they retaliated against Iran a couple weeks ago - blew up their embassy's (and the leaders therein who were planning further attacks) and a few specific weapons facilities they bankrolled.

Think the Islamists who'd, given the chance, kill Americans, will only target republicans? No they'll set off the bombs and kill republicans, democrats, illegals, felons, nuns, babies, aged, gay, straight, trans, it won't matter. So stop with your black-and-white nonsense about any supposed ease or ability to segregate and contain casualties to only those who someone decides may 'deserve' it in times of war.

[EDIT] I'm sure a cease fire will happen sometime soon. Let's pray it's today. But, whenever it happens, pay attention to who makes the first move or fires the first shot when they decide it's over. Pay attention to who uses that time to gather up more weapons from their nation-state supporters. Pay attention to who smuggles grenades in bags of rice and bullets in boxes of medicine. And, to bring this thread 'round full circle, pay attention to the tomcats who hide among the pussycats.

[Del]

+JMJ+

[…]

I see now why they also chant "Death to America."

Kids who can't tell if they are boys or girls are just the type who couldn't tell a great nation from a terrorist regime.

Palestine is not a "terrorist regime". It is the homeland of an Indigenous People.

Support for Palestinians does not necessarily equate to Support for Hamas, just as Support for Israel's Right to Self-Defense does not necessarily equate to Support for "Gazatrocities".

Talk about "not being able to tell the diff".

"Palestine" is Israel. Portions of the nation have segregated themselves, and for two decades the Israelis have allowed the "indigenous" people rule themselves in the hope of separating as two nations dwelling peacefully as neighbors. The Palestinians rule themselves as an apartheid state, where Jews are not permitted to walk. And they are a terrorist regime. They have rejected every offer to rule themselves as an independent state, including the $50 billion infrastructure deal supported by neighboring Arab states.

The problem in Gaza is that a couple of generations have been indoctrinated from birth to hate Jews and the Israeli state. There is a small minority (very small) of Palestinians who are peaceful. These are mostly Christians, who are dwindling down to about 1%. They used to be closer to 5% a few decades ago, but any Palestinian who does not line up with the "Kill all the Jews" ideology are swiftly run out of the state.

There are plenty of "indigenous" Palestinian descendants living peacefully and thriving in Israel. About 20% of Israel's population is Arab. It is easy to live free and easy as a Palestinian in Israel, but no one wants the violent Palestinians. Egypt won't take a one of them. I found a news story from a decade ago, when Egypt was already flooding their tunnels with seawater.

On October 7, Hamas militants raped a Jewish woman to death. Then they brought her body back into Gaza and dragged her through a neighborhood. Dozens of residents (noncombatants) came out to spit on her body. Of course, the whole atrocity was captured on video. Yet these are the lives whom IDF have taken great risks to avoid harming. While Hamas sends unguided rockets indiscriminately into civilian neighborhoods.

This barbaric people are not prepared for democracy. If they are allowed to vote for their own leadership again, they will elect another terrorist regime. They will not tolerate peace and prosperity, if it means living with Jews and Christians in a diverse society. They don't do diversity.

They would genocide all of the Jews, if they could (but they can't).
The Israelis could genocide all of the Palestinians (but they don't).

If you refuse to see this, then I can recommend any of several college encampments full of like-blinded persons that you might enjoy.

[Del]

And, to bring this thread 'round full circle, pay attention to the tomcats who hide among the pussycats.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

Palestine is not a "terrorist regime". It is the homeland of an Indigenous People.

Support for Palestinians does not necessarily equate to Support for Hamas, just as Support for Israel's Right to Self-Defense does not necessarily equate to Support for "Gazatrocities".

Talk about "not being able to tell the diff".

[​C]'mon man, who's really putting those innocents in danger? How else can Hamas be killed? …

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Just as the cop can't indiscriminately fire into a crowd of innocents to get the bank robber hiding on the other side, Israel has to practice due discretion in their quest for peace & justice. International Rules apply, period.

The oft-heard complaint that "the other guy" isn't following the Rules doesn't mean the Rulebook is no longer in effect.

[FredS]

+JMJ+

Palestine is not a "terrorist regime". It is the homeland of an Indigenous People.

Support for Palestinians does not necessarily equate to Support for Hamas, just as Support for Israel's Right to Self-Defense does not necessarily equate to Support for "Gazatrocities".

Talk about "not being able to tell the diff".

[​C]'mon man, who's really putting those innocents in danger? How else can Hamas be killed? …

[…]

Just as the cop can't indiscriminately fire into a crowd of innocents to get the bank robber hiding on the other side, Israel has to practice due discretion in their quest for peace & justice. International Rules apply, period.

The oft-heard complaint that "the other guy" isn't following the Rules doesn't mean the Rulebook is no longer in effect.

My point is that Israel does practice due discretion. They're skilled enough at this type of thing that they can sneak through the crowd, or circle around the crowd, to get the bad guy on the other side. But the bad guy is in the middle of the crowd, firing out, shooting cannons from the schoolhouse roof. I'll allow that sometimes you just have to call off the chase and let the bad guy get away. Will you allow that there comes a point though, if you can't catch the bad guy alone because he's pretty smart, when one must charge into the crowd, arms swinging and guns blazing, to stop the bad guy? It's always good to be righteous. Given careful consideration, it's not always the best course though. International Rules allow for that eventuality. Are you so bold to allege war crimes against the IDF?

[Del]

+JMJ+

Palestine is not a "terrorist regime". It is the homeland of an Indigenous People.

Support for Palestinians does not necessarily equate to Support for Hamas, just as Support for Israel's Right to Self-Defense does not necessarily equate to Support for "Gazatrocities".

Talk about "not being able to tell the diff".

[​C]'mon man, who's really putting those innocents in danger? How else can Hamas be killed? …

[…]

Just as the cop can't indiscriminately fire into a crowd of innocents to get the bank robber hiding on the other side, Israel has to practice due discretion in their quest for peace & justice. International Rules apply, period.

The oft-heard complaint that "the other guy" isn't following the Rules doesn't mean the Rulebook is no longer in effect.

I have good news! Israel is being very careful about targets, warning residents when they need to evacuate buildings in which Hamas is hiding. Fighting door-to-door in search of terrorists, instead of leveling neighborhoods from a safe distance. They have waited weeks to safely evacuate civilians in Rafah before invading the last Hamas stronghold.

The world has never seen a military force show this much care and restraint for the civilians. Israel cares for the Palestinians.

The astounding thing is how little Hamas cares for their own people, putting them into harm's way as human shields. Theirs is a barbaric disregard for innocent lives, worthy of Stalin. Remember that they sent shock troops into civilian neighborhoods, going door-to-door just to rape and murder.

The Palestinian citizens are very fortunate that the Jews whom they hate to death are still a God-fearing and righteous people. If Hamas had even a sliver of humanity, this would never have become necessary.

[Del]

Are you so bold to allege war crimes against the IDF?

Those idiot campus protesters insist that Israel is perpetrating a "genocide." They even call Biden "Genocide Joe" over his half-hearted support for Israel.

Left-wing media have been accusing Israel of "war crimes" for months already.

HuffPo, 2/13/2024: The Biden Administration Is Investigating Israel's Possible War Crimes — Despite Public Claims To The Contrary

Safe bet that anyone who believes IDF could possibly be any more cautious than they have been is also gonna be quick to say "war crimes." Who needs evidence, anyway?

[Hovannes]

Hamas takes action:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... geted.html

[Wosbald]

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… [T]here comes a point though, if you can't catch the bad guy alone because he's pretty smart, when one must charge into the crowd, arms swinging and guns blazing, to stop the bad guy[.] It's always good to be righteous. Given careful consideration, it's not always the best course though. International Rules allow for that eventuality. …

International Rules account for the fact that Collateral Damage/Deaths can be practically unavoidable even when scrupulously following the Rules. But they don't allow that the selfsame International Rules can ever be broken.

Assuming that you're not saying anything different, I'd venture that we're pretty much on the same page here. 'Sall good.

[Del]

+JMJ+

International Rules account for the fact that Collateral Damage/Deaths can be practically unavoidable even when scrupulously following the Rules. But they don't allow that the selfsame International Rules can ever be broken.

Assuming that you're not saying anything different, I'd venture that we're pretty much on the same page here. 'Sall good.

We all agree that Israel has not violated international law or targeted civilians.

But this has not stopped Biden Admin from "investigating" Israel for with vague accusations of violating international law. My guess is that Biden campaign is trying to figure things to say that hold on to their extremist base while not alienating the rest of America.

The problem is that as long as Hamas maintains a foothold in Rafah, the Palestinian people will suffer. For example:

Hamas takes action:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... geted.html

US is trying to build a pier in Gaza ($300 million+) to allow humanitarian aid to get to Gazan civilians. Hamas threatened to attack the pier and the workers. And they did.

Hamas does not want the war to end. So it will not end, until they are utterly defeated. For the sake of the Palestinian people, we must defeat them swiftly. Biden's fig leaf of delaying and prolonging the war is helping no one.